chog not perked say it aint so!!!

[-towd_]

ok saw the previous post about the chog supposedly not being perked . wondering if that means we will continue to see one plane dominate the arena.
what is it with the silly plane they made mayby 200 of um and if i understand correctly there is no proof one ever landed on a carrier. why is it such a favorite plane . it has caused more dissention in this game than any other subject, acctualy turnin the place mean, expect the truce that came with the announced perking of the nighmare to be off.

if its true it is the worst decision you have ever made about this game.( bullet pruf osti a close second) and i am truly out of here ( hardly play now waiting for it to be perked.)


flame me i dont care just say it aint so

[texace]

CHog ws the choice of the Navy at the end of the war. It did land on CV's and it did see combat.

Why is everyone against the CHog? Just outturn it and it's history. Them cannons ain't effective if the ain't pointed at you.

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Lt. Col. Aaron "txace-" Giles of the 457th BG
    "Fait Accompli"

[GRUNHERZ]

Gee maybe next tour it will get 30% of all MA kills. Oh well I knew it was too good to be true. 20% of all kills in the game, by a single plane which only saw service in 1945 and of which only 200 were built. Im really trying not to mind chog anymore but this is sad- now the 50cal guns on dhog actually kill and ppl still want the BS bluebird.  

[JoeMud]

My main plane is the hog...d model that is.


fediddleing gay arse chog..3%^@%^#^^#$$^#%$f%^#$ and they have no skill!

[SOB]

Woohooo!  Plenty of big blue turds to kill!  


SOB

[Torgo]

 

Originally posted by -towd_:


what is it with the silly plane they made mayby 200 of um and if i understand correctly there is no proof one ever landed on a carrier.

ARRGH. I want the CHog Perked too, and yes, there were only around 200 built, BUT..man, people need to give up on this "they didn't fly from carriers" business..how the heck did that idea get popularized? It's been killed off on the board for weeks.

It is ABUNDANTLY obvious and proven in multiple sources that they flew into combat off CARRIERS.  

From Hammel's "Aces Against Japan" Chapter "Taming the 20mm" Lieuntenant Joe Robbins, USN, in VF-85 (USS Shangri-La) Okinawa, May 4-11, 1945...

"On May 4th, 1945, I was the leader of twelve F4U-1Cs assigned to fly target CAP over a picket destroyer located about 12 miles north of Okinawa.  We took off from the Shangri-La in the early morning....."


In fact, what ISN'T proven is whether any flew from LAND bases; that is, all the references and stories I've personally seen has them flying their combat sorties off carriers during the Okinawa Campaign. I haven't seen actual evidence that any were ever flown from land bases in combat.

I strongly suspect they WERE at some point (probably the Marine CHog squadrons began the Okinawa campaign based off escort carriers and quickly moved to land bases on Okinawa after they were captured)

But, if not, rather than the oft-proposed idea to disable them from Carriers, they COULD be disabled from land bases, perhaps?




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[hazed-]

just check the new expanded stats and you will see how many times you have been killed by one.Ive been killed by the f4uc more than any other and its getting real dull,soon i think ill tire of flying LW when all i face is f4c's and nikis and ill try to find my LW kicks elsewhere  
PERK IT!

hazed

ps texace, i see texace is not your handle in AH so i cant see if this 'just outturn them' theory is correct.I suspect not  

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[Torgo]

 

Originally posted by texace:
CHog ws the choice of the Navy at the end of the war.

Err, in the enormous production runs at the end of the war, nothing that the US only produced 200 of was "The Choice of the Navy".

More the "short-term abandoned afterthought of the Navy."

The Hispanos were a real headache and they had a lot of trouble with them, and while the CHog was being produced, the DHog was produced in larger numbers, and after the CHog was produced they were cranking out F4U-4s with 6 x .50s in larger numbers than CHogs.

 

Why is everyone against the CHog? Just outturn it and it's history. Them cannons ain't effective if the ain't pointed at you.

OK. Once again, the sole reason people don't like the CHog isn't because they get killed by them a lot. It's simply because there are so many of them it's reducing the variety of aircraft that one may fight in one's time on-line, and therefore, makes the game less interesting.

This is why all the testimonials from Mc 202 pilots and whatnot who killed 10 CHogs in one sortie and explain how, and therefore that means they don't need to be perked are irrelevant and totally missing the point....it's not that the CHog needs to be perked because it's unbeatable, it's just it has a variety of characteristics that mean people keep choosing to fly it to a degree that it's taking over the arena.

And notice how people keep explaining how much it sucks and how easily one can shoot one down and people never stop flying them?


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[Fishu]

Chog has that super Hispano..

two days ago I was playing H2H with pirado, and also first time running aces high since patch 0 or 1...
I had a spitfire and I shot 8 rounds at his tiffie and you can guess there was some misses too... but that was enough to tore apart his whole rear fuselage  

now thats complete BS, I don't think that MG151/20 or ShVAK would get even close to that...

[SFRT - Frenchy]

Towd, check the other Chog thread, Pyro gave us a little "precision"  

[Fatty]

I just won $50 bucks, Fishu chirped hispano again.

(The fact that heavier ammo does more damage does not equate to something wrong.  I could counter that the 109 30mm never needs more than 1 ping, but as it is larger caliber, this is not suprising nor out of line.)

[Fatty]

Hazed, you mentioned the new scoring, so I had a look.

The following planes have a better k/d against you than the 1c.


F4u-1d
109-G10
F6F
190-A5
LA5
P47-D30
P47-D25
P51
Typhoon
N1k

I think part of the reason you see so many (besides the fact if you want attack-fighter from carrier it's that or F6f [a lot of the 1c cries are 1ds], and f6f is pretty damn slow if it's very far to go) is everyone keeps convicing themselves and everyone around them that they're invincible.

[RAM]

once again, nothign to do with K/D, but a lot to do with the presence of Chogs EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

20% of the kills are done by Chogs!

but, well, guess that simple some people here can't live without their four laser wonder.

[funked]

Fishu, a true life Spitfire Hispano story:

 

"I attacked and opened fire at about 100 yards (Group Captain Kent records); it was the first time I had fired cannons for three or four months and I was not prepared for the vibration and loud thud-thud-thud as I pressed the gun button. I quickly let go as if I had been stung! I do not know how many shells I fired, it could not have been many, but it was enough - there was a brilliant flash on the starboard wing root of the 109 and the whole wing came off. The rest of the aircraft hurtled down twisting madly round and around giving the pilot no chance to escape even if he had still been alive, which I rather doubt...

"Not wishing to expose myself unduly to the attentions of the flak gunners on the coast I came down very low and slipped over the seashore at Gravelines. Just crossing my path was a small convoy so I put a burst into the stern of one of the ships which started a fire. On my return to Northold I discovered that I had only fired sixteen rounds out of each cannon - I had not used my machine guns - and I became more convinced than ever of the validity of my argument as to the cannon's effectiveness."

[Fatty]

What are they to fly, if it's longer than 10 miles?  I like the F6F, but I don't have an hour to spend on a single sortie, so I'll be flying the F4U.

A quick burst from the 50s results in a burning plane and a rapid scream of CHog dweeb from a dying pilot, and that is what gets on my nerves.

You know why I fly the D?  Its not the peer pressure, I promise you that.  If anything it's been extremely hard not to fly the CHog just because people moan about it so.  It's because with the 50s more concentrated, you get longer kill streaks more consistantly out of the 1D.  Be glad the hysteria keeps people from figuring this out, you'd have a bigger problem and couldn't blame it on hispanos.