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Re: Building a gaming computer
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2008, 06:33:46 AM »
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E8400 3.0 ghz chip, OC to 3.492
Abit IP 35 pro MB
ATI 3850 VC
600 watt PS
320 gig HD
24 Inch ACER Montior 2ms Gray to Gray
Asus Xonar Sound Card

Cooler Master Case (Somewhat like the Antec 900).


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Re: Building a gaming computer
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2008, 06:54:02 AM »

Hello everybody,
i will post here the topic I opened where Fugitive (thanks!) gad me the link to this discussion.
As sayd, I have poor PC acquaintances and need someone to tell me what's the best component to buy in order to play AH and other flight sim with full details at maximal frame speed.
(i was watching some film like "raid" and some other and I was amazed by the details, quality of immages, shell impacts, ground ect..all things I can only dream with my ASUS AX800 PRO).

I see many already posted the list of theyr components but wich is better?

All do I wish is to go to my computer seller and give him a list ;)

My budget depend on the components quality, i don't have a fixed price..mb araund 1500 $

Thanks in advance for any help!

p.s. I have already a dolbi digital 7.1 soundcard with its speakers
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Re: Building a gaming computer
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2008, 10:16:56 AM »
Rather than listing components, here's some thoughts for you:

Case:  Find one with good cooling.  At least two fans, front intake and rear exhast, along with a side duct or fan for the CPU cooler intake.  120mm fans are better than 80mm although side fans are usually 80mm.  Make sure it can accomodate any and all drives you're ever going to want to install (hard drives (5.5" bay), optical drives (5.5" bay), floppys (3.5" bay), etc.).  I like mid-tower cases as a good compromise between external size and internal roominess.

Motherboard:  Find one in the 100-250 price range that is well reviewed and features 4 slots for DDR2 memory (8 Gb supported) and PCIe x16 or PCIe x16 2.0 video card slot(s) (2.0 slots preferred but not nessesary... yet).  I prefer ATX over micro ATX.  Make sure it can accomodate 1333 FSB speeds and DDR2 800 memory as a minimum, has a 24 pin PSU plug, 8 pin CPU plug and several 4 pin fan plugs (these will allow all fans to be run by the motherboard depending on heat).

CPU:  I can't speak to AMD but as far as Intel goes stick with the Core2Duo family.  Great bang for the buck and overclockers heaven.  Pick this first as your motherboard will need the right socket to accomodate it.

CPU Cooler:  The stock Intel units are fine unless you plan on overclocking, then you'll likley want an aftermarket unit.

Memory:  Stick with DDR2 800 for now.  It's the most common and it's cheap.  Make sure it's got heatsinks.

Video card:  Again I can't speak to ATI but as far as NVidia goes stick with the 9600 (lower end), 8800 (best bang for buck) or 9800 (high end) series.  If you're on a very tight budget you can get by with the 8600's (budget).  Which one depends on your budget.

Sound card:  A source of varying opinion.  Mine is that it's required.  It lowers load on the CPU and usually sounds better than on-board sound.  I have a strong preference for Creative.

Hard drives:  Buy 7,000 RPM SATA3 drives as a minimum.  They are much faster than the old ATA drives.  If you can afford it, the Western Digital 10,000 RPM Raptors are the way to go but are premium priced products.

Optical Drives:  Same deal... go SATA3.

Floppy Drives:  Not needed these days but still nice to have for small file transfers, BIOS updates, etc. and for $7 why not?

Power Supply:  You'll need one that provides enough wattage to run your whole system.  There are wattage calculators at newegg to get you in the ballpark.  It will also need enough amps on the 12V rails to run everything.  You can add together the amps from multiple 12V rails to get the total.  Most PSU's run 80% or less efficient so take that into account.  As an initial guess I'd be looking for 35-40 amps on the 12V rails as a minimum (the video card alone is going to use over 20 of that).

I'm sure others will add more.  I tried not to get too far into features here as eveyone has their own preferences, budgets, etc.  I really only wanted to cover a few of the basics to get you started.
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Re: Building a gaming computer
« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2008, 10:31:51 AM »
Today, I would switch from the Asus P5K motherboard to the P5Q and use the E8400 CPU.  Quad core is overrated and more market hype than anything else.  Bang-for-the-buck is owned by the E8400. 

With the P5Q, I am liking the GSkill DDR2-1066 RAM.  Good prive/performance curve.

The PC Power and Cooling supply does not have modular cables, but is probably one of the most durable and dependable supplies on the market.  They always have been.

As a plus, they also manufacture and design all their own supplies, unlike other companies who repackage power supplies from one source in China.
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Re: Building a gaming computer
« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2008, 05:55:41 PM »
Another thought, the e8500 is now only 199.99 at NewEgg, Free shipping. Over clocks even better than the E8400.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115036


Skuzzy, which PS are you referring to?

Thanks,

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Re: Building a gaming computer
« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2008, 06:54:13 PM »

Skuzzy, which PS are you referring to?

Thanks,

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not trying to answer for Skuzzy, but it is the same brand  Baldeagl, Karaya and I have  in our pc list breakdown

they don't have 2/dual 12v rails and all that mumbo jumbo....... and they have 5 year warrantys

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010320058+50009830&name=PC+Power+%26+Cooling

83% efficiency  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341011
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« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2008, 07:44:33 PM »
Thanks, I'm getting some good advise. 

As for the OS I already have XP Home with service pack 2 on disk that I bought some time ago.  I assume I can download the service pack 3 from the internet.  Am I thinking wrong?

And no, I'm not in a rush, just want to do it right the first time.   :)

Thanks Again for all the responses,

Fred

If you have a WinXP SP2 CD, don't bother upgrading to SP3 unless you are forced to (i.e. software/hardware requires SP3).  Once you upgrade to SP3 and for whatever reason need to repair or reinstall XP, you won't be able to use your XP SP2 CD unless you do a complete clean install.  If you try, you'll get an error message saying that your version of Windows XP is older than the current version installed and it won't let you proceed.


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Re: Building a gaming computer
« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2008, 08:46:58 PM »
not trying to answer for Skuzzy, but it is the same brand  Baldeagl, Karaya and I have  in our pc list breakdown

they don't have 2/dual 12v rails and all that mumbo jumbo....... and they have 5 year warrantys

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010320058+50009830&name=PC+Power+%26+Cooling

83% efficiency  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341011

Well darn me. I didn't realize the name was "PC Power & Cooling". I will keep that in mind.

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« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2008, 09:42:51 PM »
If you have a WinXP SP2 CD, don't bother upgrading to SP3 unless you are forced to (i.e. software/hardware requires SP3).  Once you upgrade to SP3 and for whatever reason need to repair or reinstall XP, you won't be able to use your XP SP2 CD unless you do a complete clean install.  If you try, you'll get an error message saying that your version of Windows XP is older than the current version installed and it won't let you proceed.
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Re: Building a gaming computer
« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2008, 05:24:28 AM »
I've never had a repair install fix the problem I was having.  Good 'ole reformat.

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Re: Building a gaming computer
« Reply #25 on: July 22, 2008, 07:01:43 AM »
Rather than listing components, here's some thoughts for you:
.....

I really only wanted to cover a few of the basics to get you started.

Tank you very much!

I did a search on the net and read the most quoted gaming pc on some forum an after some comparison that's what I found:

power supply: Enermax 625W Modu82
Motherboard : P5Q deluxe
RAM: Corsair 2*2GB 800MHz CL4
HD: SEAGATE Barracuda 7200.11 500GB SATA2 32MB
Case: CM690 or Cooler Master or Thermaltake   :huh
video card: Sapphire HD 4870
Processor: Intel Q9450

ok what do you think about it? there's something outdated..or mb where I can get better performances with a little difference of  price?
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« Reply #26 on: July 22, 2008, 09:08:51 AM »
OK, this is what I'm thinking about so far.  Take a look and see where I am going wrong.

10-Bay ATX Computer Case w/550W PSU&9.84" Blue Led Fan
Includes 7 expansion slots and USB mic and headphone jacks.

Intel Pentium 4 3.40GHz 800MHz 1MB Socket 775 CPU

Intel D955XBK LGA775 1066SB CrossFire ATX motherboard

Western Digital WD800JD 80 GB Serial ATA 150 Hard Drive 7200 RPM

Don't know about the graphics cards yet, also thinking about some extra cooling.

Fred

1st things 1st, DO NOT buy a case and integrated power suppy. Antec makes good cases and the sunbeam I linked in another thread here (newegg) is a steal for $50. I use a PC Power and Cooling PS and as others have mentioned its outstanding. Corsair is excellent and IMO so are the OZC gaming PS units.

I'd stay away from the intel MB for a gaming rig. I have the P5K-E and agree with Skuzzy that the P5Q is a good choice. I'd spend the extra cash for a 10,000RPM hard drive with the latest SATA (think its 3.0 now) thruput. If you get a good case and airflow U do not need extra cooling for the system if you use the 8400 CPU.

Toms is recommending 2 x 4850 VC's in crossfire as there highest end VC configuration right now....

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Re: Building a gaming computer
« Reply #27 on: July 22, 2008, 09:29:57 AM »
Tank you very much!

I did a search on the net and read the most quoted gaming pc on some forum an after some comparison that's what I found:

power supply: Enermax 625W Modu82
Motherboard : P5Q deluxe
RAM: Corsair 2*2GB 800MHz CL4
HD: SEAGATE Barracuda 7200.11 500GB SATA2 32MB
Case: CM690 or Cooler Master or Thermaltake   :huh
video card: Sapphire HD 4870
Processor: Intel Q9450

ok what do you think about it? there's something outdated..or mb where I can get better performances with a little difference of  price?

Personally, I'd swap the Q9450 for the E8400 Wolfdale and save ~$100.  I don't know anything about the PSU but as you can tell by reading this thread a lot of us use PC Power and Cooling PSU's.  I'd go for the PCP&C 610 or 750 Watt PSU if I was you (750 if you ever plan to add a second video card and crossfire them).

Case will be a personal preference.  I've got a Coolermaster and I love it.  Don't forget a DVD-ROM drive/burner.  I'd also look at adding a sound card.

Other than that it looks good.

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Re: Building a gaming computer
« Reply #28 on: July 22, 2008, 09:43:31 AM »
OK, this is what I'm thinking about so far.  Take a look and see where I am going wrong.

10-Bay ATX Computer Case w/550W PSU&9.84" Blue Led Fan
Includes 7 expansion slots and USB mic and headphone jacks.

Intel Pentium 4 3.40GHz 800MHz 1MB Socket 775 CPU

Intel D955XBK LGA775 1066SB CrossFire ATX motherboard

Western Digital WD800JD 80 GB Serial ATA 150 Hard Drive 7200 RPM

Don't know about the graphics cards yet, also thinking about some extra cooling.

Fred

See my recommendations above.

First of all, don't but a Pentium 4.  This is old technology.  Get even the lowest Core2Duo processor and you'll be much happier, preferably with a 1333 FSB but not required if you're on a budget.

Do not get a Serial ATA hard drive.  Get a SATA3.  No price difference and the transfer speeds are higher.

I can't even find that motherboard so no comment.

As humble mentioned, I'd try to stay away from integrated case/PSU deals but if you're budget constrained then go ahead, just make sure the PSU has enough wattage and enough amps as per my outline above to run your system.
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« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2008, 09:55:26 AM »
One more thing for you guys building new machines, go to http://www.tomshardware.com  They are pretty up to date on the newest hardware and have some great performance comparison charts for CPU's, GPU's etc. and do a regular "best video card for (various price ranges)" comparison.  They also do regular "best builds for (various price ranges)".
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