Author Topic: ENY value for F6F (Read 575 times)

Mathman · « **on:** July 03, 2001, 12:53:00 AM »

Anyone know why the ENY value for the hellcat is 17 when the F4U-1D is 22? Seems it should be the other way around.

Weave · « **Reply #1 on:** July 03, 2001, 10:00:00 AM »

Try fighting a f6f with a dhog, all will become clear.

F4UDOA · « **Reply #2 on:** July 03, 2001, 11:19:00 AM »

I have wondered what the reasoning behind the ENY values is in the first place. All of the FW190A series is in the 30+ range and their K/D is much higher the the -1D or F6F. The La7 is almost as high. I think HTC just kind of threw darts at a board to get there numbers while expecting to adjust later but they never did.

ra · « **Reply #3 on:** July 03, 2001, 11:26:00 AM »

The Jug D-11 ENY is way lower than the other Jugs', too.

ra

Wotan · « **Reply #4 on:** July 03, 2001, 02:35:00 PM »

because eny value has nothing to do with kd. Its for the same reason the chog was perked..........to promote more diversity in the ma.

dhog had 6271 more kill then the a5. If you check the number of sorties flown by the planes with the lowest eny value you will see they are flown alot more then those with the high eny value.

Its the same reason ht raised the perk value for goons a few tours ago. That is way it should be.

214thCavalier · « **Reply #5 on:** July 03, 2001, 04:27:00 PM »

But on the other hand anybody with any sense (which excludes me) and who cares for their scores would choose the 190-a5 over the F6 because of its much better K/D.

Citabria · « **Reply #6 on:** July 03, 2001, 07:26:00 PM »

hmm i get better k/d when i fly f6f5 than in 190

F4UDOA · « **Reply #7 on:** July 03, 2001, 10:24:00 PM »

Wotan,

So your telling me since more people prefer to fly an F4U-1D than an FW190A5 that the eny value of the A5 should be higher? Then why is the value of the F6F lower than the F4U? Based on your logic the F6F should be in between the F4U and the FW190A5. Also how would you justify the difference in the P-47 series?

Not only is that not what they are doing but it would make no sense. ENY value should be and I believe what pyro said it is in direct relation to the effectiveness of a given A/C in the MA. The C-hog isn't just perked because more people fly it, but because it kills everything in the MA with ease at a high K/D. I'm sure people would fly the C202 allot more if you could only kill something with it ala the Zero vrs the NIK2. It is not more popular, it is more effective. The F4U and F6F both happen to be popular but not as effective in "Cannons High" as say a C-hog or a FW190A/D.

Point being it is time to re-evaulate the eny values in AH.

Tuomio · « **Reply #8 on:** July 04, 2001, 05:51:00 AM »

CAnnons high a5? yeah sure..Its 2 cannons are less effective, than 3x50cals, they shoot max d300, 2g:s are max if you want to hit..Its more like shotgun than cannon.
190a5 every kill has to be earned, even when bouncing afk player, since you have to unload G:s before shooting and thus risk for ramming.

F4UDOA · « **Reply #9 on:** July 04, 2001, 09:22:00 AM »

Honestly Tuomio I could care less about the modeling of the LW cannons. I am talking about the ENY values. And last time I checked the F6F had an eny of 17 and a K/D of about .7 and the FW190A5 has an ENY of 30 and a K/D of approx 1.2 and that is backwards. I'm sure the C202 fan club isn't happy about the guns on it either, but then that is a topic for another thread.

ra · « **Reply #10 on:** July 04, 2001, 10:31:00 AM »

The F6F was assigned a ENY of 17 as soon as it was introduced, before it even had a K/D ratio. Likewise the P47-D11 was assigned a ENY of 18, while the P48-D25 has a ENY of 31. The D25 is easier to get kills in, and those kills are worth more. The whole perk/scoring system is very incomplete.

ra

SageFIN · « **Reply #11 on:** July 04, 2001, 10:36:00 AM »

Well I believe that whatever oddities there are in the ENY values are because they are (probably) set by hand. Until there is a piece of code in place that handles all the ENY and perk values according to the stats of the plane, there will be imbalances etc etc.

Why is that? I believe that the people at HTC have more urgent tasks at hand most of the time than going through lots of stat numbers and then setting the ENY and perk values of each plane by hand to match the current situation.

F4UDOA · « **Reply #12 on:** July 04, 2001, 11:36:00 AM »

SageFin and RA are exactly right. The ENY values were set before the K/D's were known, however now that they are we can see the discrepinsies. I also know that HTC is busy on DX8, trains strat, etc right now so I wouldn't expect to see anything happen with them soon.

Kingonads · « **Reply #13 on:** July 04, 2001, 01:14:00 PM »

I kinda like the guns a a C202 they R fun and make U work REAL hard for a kill. I have no problem with the FW's guns or any of the LW cannons for that matter. I am just as easyly killing fighters and such with the 20mm on a 109 and 190 serries I just set convergance to 400m on all cannons and the Mgs slightly less about 350 to 300m. I only fire at those distances with a good half second bust or around 10-20 rounds. much more affective that way with those planes.
But I am no LW pilot by a day in sight. I am a big IJN/IJA pilot everything but the N1K and only because I cant fly that plane worth a damn.

My new ride for this tour is the P38 for long missions and the C202 for anything else any suggestions for the P38?

Hodo

Citabria · « **Reply #14 on:** July 04, 2001, 01:32:00 PM »

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Hodo[/QB]

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