Battle of Britain II

[CAP1]

It would be nice to have the option.

[saantana]

Anyway, the Brits won the BoB without american aid. The lend-lease contract was in 1941.....
Unless if you count business as aid.

BTW, when the British occupied Iceland in may 1940, there was only one place to sell fish to...Britain. And they needed a lot of workers from day one.
They paid in full 

I'm not sure thats true.
Watch some documentaries, where in numerous ones they state that spitfires, hurri's etc were partly manufactured on american equipment shipped in, and individual plane components were as well.

[RTHolmes]

AFAIK mossies were constructed from US-produced, Canadian-sourced ply, but Spits and Hurris were produced entirely within the UK.

[CAP1]

I'm not sure thats true.
Watch some documentaries, where in numerous ones they state that spitfires, hurri's etc were partly manufactured on american equipment shipped in, and individual plane components were as well.

i'm pretty sure it's not true. it seems kinda funny, that 50-60 years aftert the fact, that new information ""surfaces"" stating that britain was never in trouble.

 c'mon. outnumbered, but not outclassed, in london, the civilians needed to go underground, everything was rationed, you had supplies comming from all over the world, including the usa, and were losing pilots almost faster than new ones could be trained. one of those links mentioned a day that all RAF fighters were airborn.

 although it was after the BOB, i also don';t think germany would've fallen without the constant 24/7 airraids, which england could not have sustained without the help of the mighty 8th air force.

 i have however wondered why usa went for daytime raids and uk went for night time.....i had heard in the past that it had to do with the lancs being not well enough protected?

[CAP1]

AFAIK mossies were constructed from US-produced, Canadian-sourced ply, but Spits and Hurris were produced entirely within the UK.

yes, with aluminum bought from civilians i think?

i hadn't known about the wood for the mossies being usa or canadian supplied though?

[gpwurzel]

Cap, thought this was the Battle of Britain one, not would Britain have won the war on its own one......

Nope, we couldnt have prosecuted the war to a satisfactory conclusion all alone - but we won the BOB!!!


 

Wurzel

[RTHolmes]

aluminium pans etc were donated for aircraft, and practically every wrough iron railing in the country was cut down for steel too. If you walk around suburban areas you can still see the stubs on top of walls where they were chopped off (this wasn't optional!)

CAP its not new evidence surfacing, as much as trying to redress the inbalance caused by the Hollywood version of WWII, in which we Brits dont feature at all apparently

[CAP1]

Cap, thought this was the Battle of Britain one, not would Britain have won the war on its own one......

Nope, we couldnt have prosecuted the war to a satisfactory conclusion all alone - but we won the BOB!!!


 

Wurzel

well, it's made it 7 pages without an attempted hijack, so i felt it was my duty to try

[CAP1]

aluminium pans etc were donated for aircraft, and practically every wrough iron railing in the country was cut down for steel too. If you walk around suburban areas you can still see the stubs on top of walls where they were chopped off (this wasn't optional!)

CAP its not new evidence surfacing, as much as trying to redress the inbalance caused by the Hollywood version of WWII, in which we Brits dont feature at all apparently

well, i wasn't going by the hollywood version. i had actuslly thought the movie sucked...the combat scenes sucked..they were all almost the same but from different angles. i did however go to the library a lot as a teen, and read everythning i could find. that's what i was going from.

 i still find it hard to believe that 60 years later new evidence surfaces.

 it's kinda like finding new evidence that charles manson is innocent.

[Bruv119]

well, it's made it 7 pages without an attempted hijack, so i felt it was my duty to try

Monkeys can hijack better than that.

[saantana]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nMc_HJO0RU&feature=related

I think this video is relevant

[CAP1]

Monkeys can hijack better than that.

 

[Angus]

I'm not sure thats true.
Watch some documentaries, where in numerous ones they state that spitfires, hurri's etc were partly manufactured on american equipment shipped in, and individual plane components were as well.

The Hurricane was rigged from the old biplane technology, and the Merlin was English allright.
But of course the Brits may have bought tools. BTW, the USA got the blueprints though....
And while you find sources for the claim, I'll find the votes and dates for the lend-lease deal, - agreed by a margin long after the BoB ended......

How's the popcorn going?

[CAP1]

The Hurricane was rigged from the old biplane technology, and the Merlin was English allright.
But of course the Brits may have bought tools. BTW, the USA got the blueprints though....
And while you find sources for the claim, I'll find the votes and dates for the lend-lease deal, - agreed by a margin long after the BoB ended......

How's the popcorn going?

as question on the hurricane?
 i had read in the past that the hurri was actually more of the RAF's backbone than the spit? and that the spit, being a better looking aircraft, got more credit than it should have?

oo...i dont eat popcorn,...hate it getting stuck between my teeth

[Angus]

The popcorn quote was for another one.
As for the BoB and the Hurricane, well it was performancevise inferior to both the Spit and the 109. But it was more numerous, quite rugged, and a good gun platform, and the RAF used it as such.
If possible, the Spitfires were to deal with the escorts, - the more deadly deal.
The Spitfire did indeed get the "flash", but it served well, and was to become the absolute backbone of fighter command.