damage

[uberslet]

I was watching an episode of Dogfights one night, and a P51 Mustang took a 30MM shot from a Me 262  to the wing and didnt lose his wing, I personally, find it hard to think some reality of the actual damage we, as the players, take when bullets hit our planes. I know, it may have been some freak thing that he didnt lose his wing, and we wont always get the same damage for being hit in the same spot, I havnt dopne any research, and i will do some now to see weather or not it was by freak chance or if it was normal for a pilot to not lose his wing if a Me 262 round hit it.

[fudgums]

iv shot up 51's with a 30mm from a 109..and only put holes in the wing. Cant tell ya about a 262..i either hit a tree or ram the other plane

[Ack-Ack]

I was watching an episode of Dogfights one night, and a P51 Mustang took a 30MM shot from a Me 262  to the wing and didnt lose his wing, I personally, find it hard to think some reality of the actual damage we, as the players, take when bullets hit our planes. I know, it may have been some freak thing that he didnt lose his wing, and we wont always get the same damage for being hit in the same spot, I havnt dopne any research, and i will do some now to see weather or not it was by freak chance or if it was normal for a pilot to not lose his wing if a Me 262 round hit it.

I think it would be very rare for a P-51D to survive a direct hit on the wing or any other part of plane from a 30mm cannon in real life.  That P-51D driver in real life was extremely lucky, like Johnson was in his P-47 that was all shot up and yet managed to bring his Jug home.


ack-ack

[uberslet]

like Johnson was in his P-47 that was all shot up and yet managed to bring his Jug home.

he didnt have 20mm shot at him, he just had pea shooters

[Motherland]

he didnt have 20mm shot at him, he just had pea shooters

20 or so 20mm hits were counted in his aircraft, IIRC.

[Murdr]

I think it would be very rare for a P-51D to survive a direct hit on the wing or any other part of plane from a 30mm cannon in real life.  That P-51D driver in real life was extremely lucky, like Johnson was in his P-47 that was all shot up and yet managed to bring his Jug home.


ack-ack

Refresh my memory, I could be thinking of something/someone else.  Is that where he was about to strafe a train, and he watched the canvas fly off of one of the flat cars, exposing a 20mm ack, and one of his engine cylinders even got hit with a 20?

[Motherland]

Refresh my memory, I could be thinking of something/someone else.  Is that where he was about to strafe a train, and he watched the canvas fly off of one of the flat cars, exposing a 20mm ack, and one of his engine cylinders even got hit with a 20?

I believe Johnson was the pilot who got jumped by 190's, got hit by some 20mm's that wounded him and jammed his canopy and other bad things, so he couldn't bail and on his way RTB another 190 on a taxi flight (or something, I don't remember the details, for whatever reason it wasn't loaded with MG151's, just MG17's), the 190 unloaded all of it's ammunition into the Jug and Johnson still made it back.

May have been someone else though. This one pops to mind because it's the one everybody quotes as evidence that the Jug should be indestructible.

[RMrider]

I actually think the damage needs to be more realistic. When bullets enter a plane and leave holes it messes up the airflwo over the wings or other aprts of the plane. It causes more friction and makes the plane harder to fly. Any type of hole that isnt supposed to be there, shouldnt be there, it will screw with your airplane. Im sure this would take a lot of coding and such, as for me i have no clue about programming so i have no idea how they would do this.

just my .02 

[NoBaddy]

Im sure this would take a lot of coding and such, as for me i have no clue about programming so i have no idea how they would do this.

Well, when one thinks about how many virtual bullets hit virtual plane parts in a single virtual day....one begins to see what a daunting task this could be. I would guess that HT would say that the return on his time expenditure would not be worth it. You never know though.

[Motherland]

Increasing the drag, and perhaps decreasing the lift if it's a wing, of a part based on how much damage it has taken doesn't sound too complicated. The information is already recorded for the current damage system.
I like the idea.

[titanic3]

I was watching an episode of Dogfights one night, and a P51 Mustang took a 30MM shot from a Me 262  to the wing and didnt lose his wing, I personally, find it hard to think some reality of the actual damage we, as the players, take when bullets hit our planes. I know, it may have been some freak thing that he didnt lose his wing, and we wont always get the same damage for being hit in the same spot, I havnt dopne any research, and i will do some now to see weather or not it was by freak chance or if it was normal for a pilot to not lose his wing if a Me 262 round hit it.

Perhaps it was a dud and didn't explode while inside the wing? Maybe it just went through the wing and just left a hole? That could have been it.

[RMrider]

That could be very true titanic, duds were pretty common. An example: Band of brothers, when they are in the forest and the 2 guys are in the fox hole and the 88mm round lands in their hole but doesnt go off.

godo suggestion. 

[Motherland]

I've seen a picture of a P51 with a huge hole from a 30mm shell, passed right through the fuselage behind the cockpit but didn't explode. It still made a big hole though.

[Spikes]

I was watching an episode of Dogfights one night, and a P51 Mustang took a 30MM shot from a Me 262  to the wing and didnt lose his wing, I personally, find it hard to think some reality of the actual damage we, as the players, take when bullets hit our planes. I know, it may have been some freak thing that he didnt lose his wing, and we wont always get the same damage for being hit in the same spot, I havnt dopne any research, and i will do some now to see weather or not it was by freak chance or if it was normal for a pilot to not lose his wing if a Me 262 round hit it.

Actually this is funny, because I was flying a 262 last night, and I took one pony's wing off with 1 30mm cannon, and then I ran into another pony, put 1 30mm into his wing, and it didn't come off. Right around the same area aswell, same wing, left.

[Cthulhu]

I was watching an episode of Dogfights one night, and a P51 Mustang took a 30MM shot from a Me 262  to the wing and didnt lose his wing, I personally, find it hard to think some reality of the actual damage we, as the players, take when bullets hit our planes. I know, it may have been some freak thing that he didnt lose his wing, and we wont always get the same damage for being hit in the same spot, I havnt dopne any research, and i will do some now to see weather or not it was by freak chance or if it was normal for a pilot to not lose his wing if a Me 262 round hit it.

The result would depend on a lot of things. Incident angle of impact, location of impact, penetration of the round before detonation, etc. The pony has a very strong rear spar to carry aileron and flap loads. It's conceivable that there might be sufficient remaining wing structure after a 30mm hit (and detonation), but the hit would almost certainly have to be outboard of the main fuel tank. And the pilot would really need to baby the plane afterwards to get it home. Hard to say without info on where/how the round hit.