Why obama why!?

[Mr No Name]

Osamabama is, by far, THE best speaker.  It is the content of his speech however, that scares the stew out of me, he is THE most liberal, far left Senator according to his voting record and in my book, just an old fashioned marxist.  By the way, I would not give you 5 cents for McPain or his buddy "Miss Lindsey" Graham.

[Chalenge]

I decided to shut down business and not give any tax money to which ever regime wins this next race. I dont like forking money over to Dems or Marxists either one. Ill be on vacation until the country regains its senses. Please forward all mail to the Phils thank you.

[angelsandair]

Eh... I'll give Obama 1 year if he's elected, if things only get worse, than I'm gonna move out of the Country. Either Israel or somewhere else. (I'd like to live in a Country that has a "2nd Amendment" and a strong military, no matter how small the country is, I'd still feel safer.)

[Jackal1]

Seriously folks... where was the griping 3 weeks ago when McCain was in South and Central America? 

The last word in your text might explain that.

[Xargos]

Hitler was also a good speaker. 

[john9001]

Hitler was also a good speaker. 

you beat me to it.

[lazs2]

See Rules #5, #4

[BTW]

rhetoric:
 the art or science of all specialized literary uses of language in prose or verse, including the figures of speech. 
 the study of the effective use of language. 
 the ability to use language effectively. 
 the art of prose in general as opposed to verse. 
 the art of making persuasive speeches; oratory. 
 the art of influencing the thought and conduct of an audience.

So you believe that effective use of language and the ability to be persuasive in speech or writing "should be dismissed out of hand when recognized."

OK

Somewhere in all that is the idea of "the art of persuasion." It doesn't matter what is true or right, its the convincing presentation or strategy. "An Inconvenient Truth" is a good example of empty rhetoric. I don't think you thought for a second I was suggesting people shouldn't write or speak effectively. Because I prefaced it with an example of empty rhetoric, I'm sure you knew I was referring to empty rhetoric. But using sophomoric rhetoric, you break out the old hooker, Merriam Webster, to confuse the point I was trying to make. Thats a perfect example of one more happy to wade in BS than have a truthful discussion.

Maybe you holden the groin too much?

[john9001]

latest obama prepared sound bite, "we are the change we have been waiting for".

[mg1942]

Eh... I'll give Obama 1 year if he's elected, if things only get worse, than I'm gonna move out of the Country. Either Israel or somewhere else. (I'd like to live in a Country that has a "2nd Amendment" and a strong military, no matter how small the country is, I'd still feel safer.)

Move to Liberia... you'll love it there

[mg1942]

Hitler was also a good speaker. 

And the greatest statesman ever to live for 6 years (to be fair).

[Holden McGroin]

Maybe you holden the groin too much?

Talk about empty rhetoric...  Making a joke out of a joke does not take much imagination.

My original point was that the level of political discourse needs to be raised in order to persuade.

How many strokes on average for the hand jobs you will be giving out?

Do you go down when they demand, or just hand them our gold?

This type of attempt at persuasion is lame at best.

[BTW]

Talk about empty rhetoric...  Making a joke out of a joke does not take much imagination.

My original point was that the level of political discourse needs to be raised in order to persuade.
 

That was a parting needle, not rhetoric -as was the crack about the lawyers in the first post. But I do tune out when clever style is passed off as content. Clever style will cure no illness nor invent a thing. Its just another way to spread the BS.

[Holden McGroin]

Clever style will cure no illness nor invent a thing. Its just another way to spread the BS.

I saw a stand up comedian once who observed that Einstein was aided by his German accent. We would not have paid attention to him if he had spoken like an appalacian redneck and said something like, "Well ya see iffn yall go up to close as possible to the speed of light, yore grand pappys watch that yall brought wich ya would be tickin along just fine, then when yall made it back to Possum Holler and looked at your cousin Enis's watch, they'd be different time a-showin' of the faces, cause dependin on how yall look at it, time speeds up or slows down on account of how fast your car is.

[BTW]

I saw a stand up comedian once who observed that Einstein was aided by his German accent. We would not have paid attention to him if he had spoken like an appalacian redneck and said something like, "Well ya see iffn yall go up to close as possible to the speed of light, yore grand pappys watch that yall brought wich ya would be tickin along just fine, then when yall made it back to Possum Holler and looked at your cousin Enis's watch, they'd be different time a-showin' of the faces, cause dependin on how yall look at it, time speeds up or slows down on account of how fast your car is.

Yea and all those equations did nothing eh? It was the accent!

redneck, cajun whatever, -the proof is here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein_field_equations not in the accent.

And I know its just a comedian's joke. But another opportunity to illustrate substance over style.

Ill give you a few minutes to review those, then we'll discuss them...