knights

[Zazen13]

"War is any large scale, violent conflict."
Aces High is hardly large scale or violent.

The Cold War was largely non-violent...

[Motherland]

Just pulled what he linked to.

[bmwgs]

"War is any large scale, violent conflict."
Aces High is hardly large scale or violent.

This could be a never ending "war"   with words, but I guess it depends on what you consider violent.  Blood on the cockpit window, ripping a plane apart with 20mm, dropping a 1000 pound egg on a GV that causes it to blow up.  Some games have a violence rating because of this.

Don't get me wrong.  I think Aces High is just a game, and that all it is, but in its basic form it still is a war between individuals, countries ( chess pieces), or whatever to accomplish whatever mission they are trying to achieve.  The only benefit is you don't really die as in a real conflict, and equipment is free.

The only point I am trying to make here is I think some people, not just in this thread, try to apply reality to just a game.  You may want to call Aces High a WW II flight simulator, where others consider it a war game.  I don't think either is right or wrong, just how people interpet it differently.

OK, I'm done.  I not trying to start anything, just felt like throwing some thoughts out there.  I hope I did not in any any way offend anyone, if I did I apologise.

Still have toooo much time on my hands at work,

Fred

[Motherland]

Think of it not so much as a war but as a competition called a war for the sake of... immersion I guess.

[bmwgs]

Think of it not so much as a war but as a competition called a war for the sake of... immersion I guess.

I AGREE     

Fred

[Guppy35]

Slow day at work, so I got curious again.  Looked up the definition of war (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War), also checked Webster's Dictionary.  Nothing in the definition about killing or dying.  Actually the definition actually reflects what goes on in Aces High everyday.

Way tooooo much time on my hands....

Fred

Those of us have nothing to lose other then time in Aces High.  No regimes change, no ethnic cleansing, no economies destroyed (although back in the pay by the hour Airwarrior days there may have been) I have yet to see a single cemetary.  One thing I remember vividly from visiting Normandy were the military cemetaries every where you went.  The blood isn't real in AH, niether are the planes or anything else beyond the people sitting at their computers.

It is a chance for a lot of cartoon pilots to pretend.  I'm all for the immersion, the history etc.  And if someone wants to go after 'winning the war', more power to em.  To me it will just be a do-over as the war game never ends.

That being said, there are times in scenarios, snapshots or other 1 life events where I figure I'm as close as I'll ever get to imagining what the pilots I've read about all my life, were doing, and where I get sucked into the 'cockpit.'  It's a great feeling but each time I come back to the reality that I really don't have a clue about what it was really like and that nothing in the game is real beyond the fun

[bongaroo]

Now the fun, thats very real.  Not one of my friends serving or having served in Iraq will tell you war is fun.  None of my grandfathers friends from the 97th Bomb Group / 341st Sqd. ever told me about how much fun flying through clouds of flack was on the way to the Ptolsti oil refineries was.

Try very hard to remember this is about the fun, not the war because it is a game, not war.

<S>

[ROX]

Try very hard to remember this is about the fun, not the war because it is a game, not war.

<S>

True. 

It is very much a game.  A game about war.

It's also one of the few games on the internet I know of where using actual tried & true military tactics really work.

May I quote General Nathan Bedford Forrest?:

"Hit 'em on the end" = Don't attack the center, attack on the flanks--and roll them up.
"Bring on the skeer" = Attack out of nowhere, show up unexpectedly
"Go on the big" = Bring overwhelming numbers to bear on an objective

While he's not exactly elequent, he does make a point.  Tactics work.  Many of us use them extensively.

Yes, Aces High is a game. (If anyone thinks it's a REAL war, counciling may be necessary).

If you educate yourself and learn military tactics not only on the small "squad" sized tactics but also the larger group/campaign tactics you will see that our little cartoon game has far more facets than you may have realized.  Sure, it's a boatload of fun to hop in your favorite plane and enjoy a nice turnfight.  It's also fun to get organized and work together as a team.

Find a country you like then find your nitch.

What do you do best?  What is most fun to you?

Some players get on, are their own squad, and play for score/rank.

Some players get on and do 34 Million Bomber Damage Points a tour.

Some players get on and get 1,000+ fighter kills a tour

Some players get on and get 1,000+ attack kills a tour.

The poor guy who is the original poster probably still doesn't have an answer.

If you have to hop around from country to country you will still end up seeing that most countries are about the same....unless your idea of a dogfight at 34,0000' is fun--then join rooks (after you have gone through astronaut training).         (JK)

Again, chose your country and chose your nitch.  It's all about having fun, and having a game that let's you mentally flash back to 1944 is very cool.

Knights DO get organized.  And we DO join missions.

EDIT:  We had a mission not long ago where we just swarmed a gv base with about 15 jeeps with troops.  The enemy was so shocked they didn't know what to shoot at.  We let our troops out then got into high gear and raced around the base while the troops ran.  It was funny as heck!  We took the base.  Missions can be a hack of a lot of fun.

Missions and taking bases is so easy a caveman can do it.       


Thank you for your time.







ROX




Thank you Dale...great job!   




ROX

[bongaroo]

True. 

It is very much a game.  A game about war.  no doubt its a game.  more about air to air combat than total war (which is what ww2 was).  all the side shows (base capture, gving, etc.) are to encourage air combat

It's also one of the few games on the internet I know of where using actual tried & true military tactics really work.

hmmm...there are plenty of them, and many that do a much better job of simulating the stratagies and tatics used, want a list?

May I quote General Nathan Bedford Forrest?:

"Hit 'em on the end" = Don't attack the center, attack on the flanks--and roll them up.
"Bring on the skeer" = Attack out of nowhere, show up unexpectedly
"Go on the big" = Bring overwhelming numbers to bear on an objective

While he's not exactly elequent, he does make a point.  Tactics work.  Many of us use them extensively.

the three you've selected seem to only encourage avoiding a real fight and stealing cartoon real estate.  not exactly the reason many of us play the game.

Yes, Aces High is a game. (If anyone thinks it's a REAL war, counciling may be necessary).  no argument here!

If you educate yourself and learn military tactics not only on the small "squad" sized tactics but also the larger group/campaign tactics you will see that our little cartoon game has far more facets than you may have realized.  Sure, it's a boatload of fun to hop in your favorite plane and enjoy a nice turnfight.  It's also fun to get organized and work together as a team.

Oh I've seen them all.  All but the air to air combat have grown incredibly stale, repetative and boring.  (well, i just suck at gving, now that the trees and bushes can't be made to disappear i've enjoyed it a bit again.)

Find a country you like then find your nitch.  No thanks, I have friends on all the countries

What do you do best?  What is most fun to you?  Ruining silly toolshedders fun

Some players get on, are their own squad, and play for score/rank.  the ranking/score system is silly and has never been a good indicator of skill in mine and many others opinions.

Some players get on and do 34 Million Bomber Damage Points a tour.  wow, I hope they have time for some real life outside of toolshedding all month

Some players get on and get 1,000+ fighter kills a tour  wow, either they are very good sticks or like to vulch

Some players get on and get 1,000+ attack kills a tour.  see above

The poor guy who is the original poster probably still doesn't have an answer.  I think many of us tried to explain a good way for him to find an answer (aka try the other chess pieces out and see there is no difference.)

If you have to hop around from country to country you will still end up seeing that most countries are about the same....unless your idea of a dogfight at 34,0000' is fun--then join rooks (after you have gone through astronaut training).         (JK)         i've seen all flavors of chess piece in the AKAKoshpere

Again, chose your country and chose your nitch.  It's all about having fun, and having a game that let's you mentally flash back to 1944 is very cool.   no reason to tell him to not enjoy bouncing around from country to country or play style to play style either now is there?

Knights DO get organized.  And we DO join missions.  I know, i enjoy busting them up

Missions and taking bases is so easy a caveman can do it.        yup, must be why so few good sticks participate in them so often.  (zing!)


Thank you for your time.  the pleasure was all mine

My answer and counterpoint to each above.  If I could summarize:

-No noticeable difference in the chess pieces
-This isn't anything like war
-Don't get too hung up on the cartoon real estate

[ROX]

May I quote General Nathan Bedford Forrest?:

"Hit 'em on the end" = Don't attack the center, attack on the flanks--and roll them up.
"Bring on the skeer" = Attack out of nowhere, show up unexpectedly
"Go on the big" = Bring overwhelming numbers to bear on an objective

While he's not exactly elequent, he does make a point.  Tactics work.  Many of us use them extensively.

the three you've selected seem to only encourage avoiding a real fight and stealing cartoon real estate.  not exactly the reason many of us play the game.



        


All three are examples of offensive tactics.









ROX

[Sweet2th]

May I quote General Nathan Bedford Forrest?:

"Hit 'em on the end" = Don't attack the center, attack on the flanks--and roll them up.
"Bring on the skeer" = Attack out of nowhere, show up unexpectedly
"Go on the big" = Bring overwhelming numbers to bear on an objective

While he's not exactly elequent, he does make a point.  Tactics work.  Many of us use them extensively.

the three you've selected seem to only encourage avoiding a real fight and stealing cartoon real estate.  not exactly the reason many of us play the game.



        


All three are examples of offensive tactics.









ROX

ROX,


Maybe you should have used McClellan's Tactics instead

[sirvlad]

Is it me or did the last 6 pages have nothing to do with the knights?

[Getback]

Frankly I like to do it all, furball, take bases, gv, sit in manned ack (and not preach) and most of all I like to jabo.

I have no qualms with any type of mission. Whether doing a fighter sweep, gv raid or an in-your-face mission like Lute likes to do. Frankly if an enemy base is undefended that is not my fault. That is the fault of the enemy. About a campaign ago we took a base right from under the nose of the enemy. You have to admire the descipline that takes. I  those guys. Plane after plane went over us and not one person fired. When asked every one stopped.

If you don't like doing some of those things don't do them.

[MachNum]

If you want to see unorganized, join whatever country you're on right now! The other countries are much more organized!

AMEN Brother!

[E25280]

The Cold War was largely non-violent...

I almost choked when I read this . . .

Sure hope you meant that tongue-in-cheek.