No more "Under God" in our pocket change?

[angelsandair]

Anybody ever seen those commercials where they are trying to sell you some 1$$ coin for 50$$? I was watching one of those and they were talking about how "rare" it was and then they mentioned something that caught my ear. (as I rarely listen to this sort of stuff.) They mentioned that there wont be any more "Under God" in our pennies, quarters... etc. Now, last I heard, the majority for "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance was something like 85%, so why are we giving in to this small 15%? 


I dont watch the news too much anymore and I really hope that what this stupid commercial said was either not true or meaning something else.... It's wierd what I can find out and see just by watching a commercial. 

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Personally I really don't care one way or the other, I am an atheist and it really doesn't bother me that it says "Under God" or "In god we trust", but it is kinda a double standard when it comes to the whole separation of church & state.

[Motherland]

Under God wouldn't bother me, again as an Atheist, if it wasn't added in the 50's. It doesn't even really bother me any more than the thought that it's stupid and hypocritical that it was added.

[angelsandair]

Under God wouldn't bother me, again as an Atheist, if it wasn't added in the 50's. It doesn't even really bother me any more than the thought that it's stupid and hypocritical that it was added.

I think Under God has been in the U.S. since the Declaration of Independance was signed. I dont think that the small majority should be the deciding factor on that though. Same thing with Under God in our pledge of allegiance.

[Motherland]

Sorry, I should have specified. I was referring to the Pledge of Allegiance specifically.

Original Pledge, written in 1892-
"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. America."

"The Knights of Columbus in New York City felt that the pledge was incomplete without any reference to a deity. Appealing to the authority of Abraham Lincoln, the Knights felt that the words "under God" which were from Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address were most appropriate to add to the Pledge. In New York City on April 22, 1951, the Board of Directors of the Knights of Columbus adopted a resolution to amend their recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance at the opening of each of the meetings of the 800 Fourth Degree Assemblies of the Knights of Columbus by addition of the words "under God" after the words "one nation." In the following two years, the idea spread throughout Knights of Columbus organizations nationwide. On August 21, 1952, the Supreme Council of the Knights of Columbus at its annual meeting adopted a resolution urging that the change be made universal and copies of this resolution were sent to the President, the Vice President (as Presiding Officer of the Senate) and the Speaker of the House of Representatives."

[angelsandair]

Sorry, I should have specified. I was referring to the Pledge of Allegiance specifically.

Original Pledge, written in 1892-
"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. America."

"The Knights of Columbus in New York City felt that the pledge was incomplete without any reference to a deity. Appealing to the authority of Abraham Lincoln, the Knights felt that the words "under God" which were from Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address were most appropriate to add to the Pledge. In New York City on April 22, 1951, the Board of Directors of the Knights of Columbus adopted a resolution to amend their recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance at the opening of each of the meetings of the 800 Fourth Degree Assemblies of the Knights of Columbus by addition of the words "under God" after the words "one nation." In the following two years, the idea spread throughout Knights of Columbus organizations nationwide. On August 21, 1952, the Supreme Council of the Knights of Columbus at its annual meeting adopted a resolution urging that the change be made universal and copies of this resolution were sent to the President, the Vice President (as Presiding Officer of the Senate) and the Speaker of the House of Representatives."

So, this makes it okay to take it out?

[Motherland]

The fact that it was added later, contradicting the separation of church and state?

Certainly.

But, again, it's not that big a deal IMO and most people get way too worked up about it.

[angelsandair]

The fact that it was added later, contradicting the separation of church and state?

Certainly.

Oh okay.

But still, would you like to see it gone? I just find it very odd that the minority who want it gone are beating the majority who either have no problem with it or want it to stay.

[Motherland]

But still, would you like to see it gone? I just find it very odd that the minority who want it gone are beating the majority who either have no problem with it or want it to stay.

I wish it was that whoever is pushing it just would like to take it out, as it's the right thing to do- since it is contradicting the separation of church and state- but the sad reality is that it's probably just a group of liberal politicians trying to appeal to the minority.

[angelsandair]

but the sad reality is that it's probably just a group of liberal politicians trying to appeal to the minority.

that's how most people see it now. I've never heard of anyone truely having a problem with it.

[MiloMorai]

Which God would that be?

[Nilsen]

oh my god

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As far as "Under God" being in the pledge of allegiance I do think it should be removed, it's not going to hurt anyone to have it taken out.  Take me, when I was in school I never liked saying the pledge just because of that phrase as I was atheist, removing the phrase would just solve the problem, just because a majority don't mind it being in it does that mean we just say screw the minority.  I mean I don't care about it enough that I'm gonna go out and do anything about it, I just see the side of having it taken out.

[cpxxx]

Which God would that be?

The Catholic God obviously. Seeing as it was the Knights of Columbus who managed to wangle 'under God' into the oath. It's amazing how recently it happened. It's all very well criticising supposed liberals for trying to remove the term. But what of the right wing religious zealots who are trying the undermine the US constitution by constantly trying to bring religion into politics. I grew up in a country that was dominated by one church which had a baleful influence over politicians. Believe me, Americans, you wouldn't like it much. If you want another example, look to Iran.

It's a slippery slope.

[rpm]

Maybe we should change it to "under a God". That would cover all bases. Somehow I think that would'nt fly.
I was taught that America was a melting pot. Apparently some people think there should only be one mold used.

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A satchel on her knee,
My grandfather had his father's cap
He brought from Italy.
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And there they melted in.
Lovely Lady Liberty
With her book of recipes
And the finest one she's got
Is the great American melting pot.
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America was founded by the English,
But also by the Germans, Dutch, and French.
The principle still sticks;
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So any kid could be the president.

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It doesn't matter what your skin.
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To the great American melting pot.
The great American melting pot.
Ooh, what a stew, red, white, and blue.

America was the New World
And Europe was the Old.
America was the land of hope,
Or so the legend told.
On steamboats by the millions,
In search of honest pay,
Those 19th-century immigrants sailed
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Lovely Lady Liberty
With her book of recipes
And the finest one she's got
Is the great American melting pot
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What good ingredients,
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They brought the country's customs,
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Go on and ask your grandma,
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With her book of recipes
And the finest one she's got
Is the great American melting pot
The great American melting pot.

The great American melting pot.
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