Picking: Definition

[FALCONWING]

I'm just curious why I keep seeing falcnwing in so many threads about how Bish tend to hoard undefended bases.

(disclaimer: Not all Bish do, sure there are plenty of Bish that don't, all side pretty much the "same", your $14.95, blah, blah, blah)

I have seen 2-3 threads the past month or two that Falc ended up picking fights with people on this topic.  I know it's not "always" the case, but it is becoming the norm as opposed to the exception.  (the noe massive hoard base take that is)

The BOP's have historically done this.  Have for years.  Many other Bish squads do this (Jokers, Rolling, etc, etc) and I'm not singling out the BOPs in particular.  (you can also find this behavior on Rooks and Knits, but it seems more prevelant on the Bish side)

Yes you have a much higher chance or takin' the field if you go in a huge hoard NOE and toolshed a field that is not defended.
Yes if all you care about is that base capture and "Winning the War" this is the tactic for you.
Yes you do end up being cannon fodder generally when you actually have to fight for the field and the nme resists.
Yes they tend to slink away to the next undefended field when they nme starts fighting back.

None of the above is speculation, or conjecture.  I've seen 'em do it for years and years now.  "Bish move on to another field if you defend" has pretty much become like "Rooks fly at high alt".  They just "do".  It is just how it is.  (see above disclaimer)

Which makes me wanna ask Falc.
1. are you ashamed about it so that is why you pick so many BBS fights on the subject?
2. just why ARE you defending toolshedding?

I love a good base take.  I can often be found rallying help for a base capture.  I just tend to preferr if the bad guys try to resist.  When we are otw a field to try and capture it and I see a huge dar bar up to resist I almost always go "Woot!".  A common thing to see me type on Country is "sector x,x just got 'FUN'"  For me, it's more satisfying if they fight back.  Kinda like "earning" it if you will.  I love even odds, or even slightly out numbered, and you STILL take it because ya' out fought 'em.
But I digress...

So just why ARE you picking fights on this subject Falc?

If i have started a thread about this Lute feel free to reference it.  But if what you have observed is that i defend noe as a legitimate strategy to capture fields and not a "newbie, hoarding, afraid of failure" technique then you are correct!!!

What IS confusing to me is how YOU would interpret me being a vigorous defender of NOE or basetaking missions would suggest I am somehow ashamed of it??? 

If you actually pay attention to what my position is..it is simple:

ALL styles of gameplay are legitimate and to criticize one over another is arrogant and reflects an intolerance of others fun.

Hope that clears it up for you and that your peers don't suggest that if you defend a position you are somehow embarrassed by it...

BTW even your post above reflects the attitude that I find insulting...perhaps some find it more fun to "out think" then "out fight".  Perhaps some enjoy the strategy and group accomplishment over individual goals.  Perhaps "slinking" is not a great way to phrase regrouping and rethinking a strategy.

Well I am off to the lake so i wont be able to respond for 48 hours give or take...Have fun

[bongaroo]

who took my dead horse beatdown stick?

[Steve]

who took my dead horse beatdown stick?

As near as I can tell, Falcon wing sat on it and made it disappear.

[bongaroo]

As near as I can tell, Falcon wing sat on it and made it disappear.

 

gross.

[WMLute]

Falc, I just came back here to delete/edit that post.  (no point now as it's quoted)

Fly how ya' want.  I hope I didn't come across as "condescending" in the post, as that was not my intention.  You and yours do what ya's find as the most "fun" and have at 'er.

I had just noticed that you have been in a few BBS spats recently on the subject, and I was curious as to why.

(fyi attacking undefended fields en mass and "out thinking" are not apparently connected to me, maybe someone can enlighten me as to how those two go together)

[bongaroo]

Falc, I just came back here to delete/edit that post.  (no point now as it's quoted)

Fly how ya' want.  I hope I didn't come across as "condescending" in the post, as that was not my intention.  You and yours do what ya's find as the most "fun" and have at 'er.

I had just noticed that you have been in a few BBS spats recently on the subject, and I was curious as to why.

(fyi attacking undefended fields en mass and "out thinking" are not apparently connected to me, maybe someone can enlighten me as to how those two go together)

because sneaky = a tactic (and if your interest in the game is for the cartoon real estate its the easiest way to do it.  in my book that equals little challenge as I'm guessing it reads in your book too)

[Zazen13]

I'm just curious why I keep seeing falcnwing in so many threads about how Bish tend to hoard undefended bases.

(disclaimer: Not all Bish do, sure there are plenty of Bish that don't, all side pretty much the "same", your $14.95, blah, blah, blah)

I have seen 2-3 threads the past month or two that Falc ended up picking fights with people on this topic.  I know it's not "always" the case, but it is becoming the norm as opposed to the exception.  (the noe massive hoard base take that is)

The BOP's have historically done this.  Have for years.  Many other Bish squads do this (Jokers, Rolling, etc, etc) and I'm not singling out the BOPs in particular.  (you can also find this behavior on Rooks and Knits, but it seems more prevelant on the Bish side)

Yes you have a much higher chance or takin' the field if you go in a huge hoard NOE and toolshed a field that is not defended.
Yes if all you care about is that base capture and "Winning the War" this is the tactic for you.
Yes you do end up being cannon fodder generally when you actually have to fight for the field and the nme resists.
Yes they tend to slink away to the next undefended field when they nme starts fighting back.

None of the above is speculation, or conjecture.  I've seen 'em do it for years and years now.  "Bish move on to another field if you defend" has pretty much become like "Rooks fly at high alt".  They just "do".  It is just how it is.  (see above disclaimer)

Which makes me wanna ask Falc.
1. are you ashamed about it so that is why you pick so many BBS fights on the subject?
2. just why ARE you defending toolshedding?

I love a good base take.  I can often be found rallying help for a base capture.  I just tend to preferr if the bad guys try to resist.  When we are otw a field to try and capture it and I see a huge dar bar up to resist I almost always go "Woot!".  A common thing to see me type on Country is "sector x,x just got 'FUN'"  For me, it's more satisfying if they fight back.  Kinda like "earning" it if you will.  I love even odds, or even slightly out numbered, and you STILL take it because ya' out fought 'em.

But I digress...

So just why ARE you picking fights on this subject Falc?

Falconwng, please read this excellent post about 500 times, then print it out and tape it to the wall beside your toilet so you can read it while you're actually "thinking". No offense intended but, I think it's possible you have lost any sense of objectivity you may have had toward what you are doing on the BBS and in-game. The disparity between what you are actually doing and what you think you are doing is greater than the almost infinite span of the known universe...

I also think you are grossly  misunderstanding the intent of creating debate on these forums. When we debate a topic, it is always with the benevolent intent of ultimately bettering the gaming experience for everyone. Examples will always be drawn from the actual MA experience to illustrate points in order to further the discussion and provide a more concrete basis for comparison. Where you go wrong is taking that as an open invitation to basically hi-jack the thread, rudely critique people's writing style?!?, and generally fling poo in the form of off-topic personal insults. This offers nothing to the community, the thread's debate or yourself. All it does is make you look like an antagonistic dolt and ruins the discussion for the other people that were enjoying it thoroughly up until that point. So, please stop doing it, for your own sake if for no other reason...I am done with you until you choose to stop with this disruptive "thread stalker" behavior...

Take care and have a nice life...

[Zazen13]

because sneaky = a tactic (and if your interest in the game is for the cartoon real estate its the easiest way to do it.  in my book that equals little challenge as I'm guessing it reads in your book too)

It is the easiest and most efficient way to do it, no arguments there. But, if we all took the easiest "path of least resistance" in this manner we'd all be better off just playing offline as we'd never have occassion to fight each other at all anyway...Fortunately for the game, not everyone does milk-horde...yet...

[WMLute]

because sneaky = a tactic (and if your interest in the game is for the cartoon real estate its the easiest way to do it.  in my book that equals little challenge as I'm guessing it reads in your book too)

Ok, i'll grant that "sneaky" is indeed a tactic.  So is "running" when you see bad guys.

I would call it "avoiding" as opposed to sneaking.

But when you DO have enemy show up you are in trouble as you basically don't have a clue what to do when they fight back.  (except to die in droves or continue "sneaking" to the next field where none of them pesky bad guys are)

But there isn't any "out thinking" what so ever going on w/ this tactic.

I supposed you CAN postulate that you are "out thinking" the drones offline when you kill them, or you are "out thinking" the auto ack when you milkrun an undefended field, but let's please quit kidding ourselves by saying there is any strategy involved in a NOE hoard to an undefended field.

Looking at the map and picking a field where there is the least chance for the nme to mount a defence is neither difficult, nor requires much in the way strategy.

Here is a personal challenge to the little generals who like this "sneaky" tactic.  Take the next two weeks, and run missions only towards bases where there is an nme dar bar.  Run the mission right at the large nme dar bar and fight it out for the base, and keep it up untill you take it.

THAT takes planning, tactics, and skill.

[Zazen13]

Here is a personal challenge to the little generals who like this "sneaky" tactic.  Take the next two weeks, and run missions only towards bases where there is an nme dar bar.  Run the mission right at the large nme dar bar and fight it out for the base, and keep it up untill you take it.

THAT takes planning, tactics, and skill.

Lute, I'm going to be really honest with you here. This literally brought a tear to my eye. It reminds me so much of Martin Luther King's, "I Have a Dream", speech. Sadly, this will never happen, especially while the HUGE maps rule the roost. The addiction the "win the war" types have to "the path of least resistance" is worse than heroin or crack.

[1Boner]

Are we back to "The definition of picking" yet??

[Zazen13]

Are we back to "The definition of picking" yet??

I think this thread has been pretty much "picked" clean by infamous "thread stalking" hijacker. 

I am developing a topic of discussion for a new thread though as an antithesis to these last few hijacked ones, "The Ancient Chinese Art of Poo-flinging...Tips and Tricks". There's so much material to draw from now. It should be a great discussion so long as Falconwng and ghi bless us with their presence and share their deeply profound wellspring of knowledge on the subject. 






Just Joking! 

[2fly]

Hmmm.

Personally I feel the whole designation of "picking" is irrelevant.  It is a way for a player to somehow excuse his own failure.  ie...passing the buck.  (something that modern western society, especially in USA is becoming extremly good at)It really doesnt matter how you got shot down, picked, HOed, crashed while picking your nose, whatever.  In the end it is always your own fault.  Either you failed to spot the incoming attack, failed to have enough altitude or airspeed, zigged when you should have zagged, or any of  a multitude of other little mistakes that all add up to your enemy getting your scalp.  Every situation that can possibly occur has a counter to it that will turn the tables and allow you to live.  The great aces are the ones who excell at finding those answers most consistantly.

So for me, if I absolutely must come up with a defination for "Picking".  Then it has to be shooting someone who is tailing another plane already.

Opinions are like.....

[SD67]

Has anyone else noticed a difference in consistency when you've not had much sleep?
I only ask because I've got some really dry ones after the scenario this morning...

[Zazen13]

Has anyone else noticed a difference in consistency when you've not had much sleep?
I only ask because I've got some really dry ones after the scenario this morning...

Sleep deprivation has many symptoms that could make you stink. Poor short-term memory retention (SA), diminished articulated fine motor control (flying), slower reaction time and reflexes (flying). To top it off your brain literally runs slower as certain pathways between neurotransmitters and receptors weaken as brain chemistry is altered. So, you interpet and react to spacial information a lot slower than you normally would which could mess with your aim and timing.