12 Hour Country Switch SUCKS!

[Swager]

Pongo  Too Funny!!  

Poor Sour was beside himself that night.

I'll never forget his, "Still got 10 more minutes in bishland"  Sounded like someone was tourturing him!  Then he said, "Might as well go beat up on the Rooks for awhile"  

12 Hours is toooooooooooooooooo long! A 4-6 hour limits is good enough!

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Swager
-XO- II/JG2~Richthofen~
"Damn.....I can't believe I missed that shot!!!"
 
JG2 "Richthofen"

[This message has been edited by Swager (edited 04-04-2000).]

[Mox]

 

Originally posted by MarkVZ:
Mox, I didn't talk the newbie into anything.  He came on, asked where a goon was needed, and I told him.  No more conversation between us, just 10 minutes later the field was taken.  Then you rooks start beating on this newbie for doing what goons are supposed to do...capture fields.  This showed that you had no intent of causing a reset, but only leaving us with two vulched fields.  Please don't tell me that we just didn't have the initiative to take back our fields.  I tried for hours to get a bomber out to one of our former fields but met huge opposition every time, and never made it.  Mox I'll say it again, how would making the time to switch teams longer prevent this from happening again?  This was my first team switch in days, and there was no problem getting over there, just as there wouldn't be now.  I wouldn't be so bold to place the blame on me and my squadmate.  It was VOTED on by users like yourself, so don't blame me, blame those who voted for the 12 hour switch, but remember that it's their opinion and you can't badger them for it.

I really cannot confirm what you said to the newbie, but lets face it a newbie would have no idea "how" to even drop the drunks let alone know where to drop them.

It was a long time ago, but I still remember the way I felt when I saw this kind of exploiting.  I thought to my self (I was very new AH then) "God, not another online game full of exploiting".  I was very impressed with the swift changes that HiTech put in place.

You are correct the 12hour limit does not stop this type of play but it does "hinder" it by not letting you switch back and fly with your friends.

I would still vote the same way today.

 Had I not saw what you did and heard what you said when you switched teams, I'd likely have a different view on it.  There is no doubt in my mind that you purposely exploiting the game to better "your" gaming experience, without regard to the other players.

You were the first exploiter I saw when I started AH and I guess your name along with the things you said left a lasting memory.  

I'm sure if you hadn't caused these problems someone else would have, it was just a matter of time.

When players complain about limit I tell them to talk to you if they want to know why it’s there!  

No hard feelings, but when I do get ya in my gun site I’m thinking “get that bastard exploiter!” still to this day.  

Mox
The Wrecking Crew

[easymo]

 During the wee hours just fiinding someone to fight can be a problem. 12 hours would be fine after we get the kind of numbers that brand -- gets. For now however, it needs to be shortened alot.

[K-KEN]

 

Originally posted by easymo:
During the wee hours just fiinding someone to fight can be a problem. 12 hours would be fine after we get the kind of numbers that brand -- gets. For now however, it needs to be shortened alot.

I believe that is MY cue to jump into a buff, blow up a close field, then goon it...time permitting!  Sheesh....to be alone, at times might be a blessing!    


K-KEN

 http://www.cutthroats.com/


 


[This message has been edited by K-KEN (edited 04-05-2000).]

[Beegerite]

You old vets seem to argue this over and over.  Let me give you the impression of somebody relatively new to AH.  Twelve hours is fine but so would six or even 3 What I don't think should be done is to switch back and forth like a ping pong ball.  Somehow, I get the impression that HT wants to make this game as real as possible.  In real war people don't switch sides helter-skelter with some exceptions.  The strategy of this game demands that we stick to one side or other for a period sufficient to complete a campaign.  Also, as mentioned elsewhere the possibility of spying does exist.  Anyone with 2 computers and conns can log on with an assumed name and play Mata Hari.  I think that it would be cool to know when and where a raid is coming and be waiting for the evil Nits or ConeHeads.  However, we must all remember that even under the Geneva Convention spies are not considered POWs and can be summarily shot.  Maybe HT could sim a spy shooting by banning them for a week.
Beeger

[RAM]

So, what is the problem? avoiding side changes? make it 6 hours. That is enough, but not too much IMHO.

About Cave and Mark...I am on mark's side. I know that when we knits are stuck on a 2 field cage,surrounded by Bishops, we can try to push out...If we do it and capture a field ,great...if not, I know the bishcuits will try to capture one of ours and cause a reset.
We,Knights, do the same.
Cave, you, the rooks, only care for VULCHING. Yeah is true. Dont tell me about the heavy work on strat and so...Strat is done to WIN the war. the war is WON WHEN YOU MAKE A ENEMY COUNTRY LOSE ALL BUT ONE fields! PERIOD!

SO:you did a nice job on strat, you did a nice work on conquering fields...but you,rooks, you try to paly a loop on the game to win a LOT of kills by vulching undefended fiends. THat is Shameful, if fact when i was newbie I changed sides from rookland because I saw no interests on winning wars (plus very weak 6 calls).

You are a nice bunch of pilots...but you PLAY THE GAME,and TAKE advantage from a look on the game...so please be fair and allow the rest of the people to PLAY THE GAME TOO...and force a reset if the situation is so extreme.

And, CavemanJ, this is no personal attack. I admire you as a buff driver and gunner, and as fiter pilot also...but facts are facts, and rooks play that way.
<S> MarkVZ...I'd had done exactly the same if I were on your skin.

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Ram, out

JG2 "Richthofen"

 

[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 04-05-2000).]

[MarkVZ]

Mox,
I too found it surprising how this person captured the field.  I use the term "newbie" because I had never seen this guy before, and I had played alot at the time.  Apparently he had some knowledge of the game and what to do, but I swear I didn't tell him anything more then what field I was trying to take, and it was done.  While it might have been one of your first evenings there, it was my breaking point.  I had switched teams maybe 4 times in the months that I played, sticking with the bishops through thick and thin, but I had taken enough of the 2 field vulching, and it was time to end it. Leaving us hanging with no resources, no radar, and two fields under a vulchfest is worse, in my opinion, than forcing a reset.  We still had bishop resistance in fufilling our goal, but you didn't see me and my squadmate racking up cheap kills on the people trying to take off.  I only shot at those who engaged my B-26.  I bombed the ack on field 2, and in the goons came, but only the "newbie" made it.  I think what surprised me the most was the very, VERY poor language and the general attitude of the rooks at me and my squadmate, and the "newbie."  My squadmate got personal threats from one of the rooks, on top of the immense foul language and insults slung in our direction.  Some of the language and and slurs which some have experienced that were brought up on this board are VERY TAME compared to what me and my squadmate took that night, and if I had a screenshot, it would have been to HiTech long ago.  

Anyways, can we let this discussion finally rest?  We will never see eye to eye on the ethics of the situation in which I tried to force a reset, and probably never will.  
I would, however, like to see a revision in the time it takes to change teams, and maybe some reward for a team that gets a reset, to prevent the strangle-hold a country can put on another without the intent of "winning."

If anyone still wants to discuss the event that lit this thread on fire, email me and I'll talk to you, but please let it die here, we have so many more constructive things to be whining about  

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Mark VanZwoll
33rd Strike Group

[Minotaur]

RAM;

Take a pill or two...


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Mino
The Wrecking Crew

[RAM]

only giving my opinion,Mino...

[funked]

RAM, I like you, but on this particular subject you are completely and utterly full of sh_t!

[Mox]

 

Originally posted by MarkVZ:
Mox,
Leaving us hanging with no resources, no radar, and two fields under a vulchfest is worse, in my opinion, than forcing a reset.  

I agree with your above statment, in fact it happened to us Rooks earlier this week.

If you could only hear our RW conversations, we (meaning most of the wrecking crew) usually fight the other country with the most numbers.  In fact we switch back and forth a lot based on the roster numbers.  I cannot speak for all the Rooks because I know there are other Rooks that tend to continue doing the gangbanging (just like some Knights and Bish's).

I'm sure if you looked back to the films (if you have them) you wouldn't have seen any harsh words from me.  I'm not saying I didn't blurt out a few choice words   but I didn't type them in the game, it was kept to myself only or maybe RW.  I agree with you that poor language should not be tolerated in the open channel.

We need some reason to actually force a reset.

I would still vote for the waiting period of switching teams but I'd be open to discuss decreasing the waiting time.   I'm sure the switching teams problem is a real hassle during "off peak" hours.

Salute MarkVZ!  see ya up there

Mox
The Wrecking Crew

[Mox]

 

Originally posted by funked:
RAM, I like you, but on this particular subject you are completely and utterly full of sh_t!

I couldn't have said it better myself!

RAM, place the pipe on the table and slowly walk away..    j/k

Mox
The Wrecking Crew

[RAM]

   

Originally posted by funked:
RAM, I like you, but on this particular subject you are completely and utterly full of sh_t!

What I see is what I say. Excuse me for giving my opinion. If it hurts, I am sorry.

Anyway I tried gave my opinion without being rude,without using some very offending terms, nor personal attacks.

I dont mess with the way the people play the game I only say that if some people can play some basical faults on the gameplay, then ALL people can do it,too.
 That day,Rooks were vulching at desire, with no intention of winning the war. There was 5 hours of continuos vulching on a caged country. Thats a fact,and you cant deny it. The only objective of your country was to vulch vulch and vulch still more. I think this isnt fair...and that hasnt been the only time i saw that thing happening from Rookland, It has been repeated more times since then.

So, I think MarkVZ did the right thing, as you rooks were doing the right thing,too. He played the game as you were doing it, too. So, IMHO, he deserves a <S>.

Again, I give my opinion with respect.I hope to be respected, too.


[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 04-07-2000).]

[Pongo]

Ram. You may be right that Rooks have behaved that way. But you are a blind bellybutton if you think that the Knights and Bish are any different.

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Pongo
The Wrecking Crew

[RAM]

I wont put my word on the bishops, but for sure we knights dont make a country be caged for 5 hours to vulch it, and then send someone to hell because he did a reset.

I know it because ALWAYS that we have a country down on 2 fields, there is someone that takes a C47 and tries to get one field and make a reset. Sometimes it takes a bit longer cuz some people doesnt want a reset...but in less than 30 minutes a goon is out. At least that is what I have seen EVERY time there was a country down to 2 fields...

Not all knights are like me...but for sure we try to win wars, caring less fer the vulching.

[edit] and, BTW, if someday we are acting as vulchers and some enemy joins us to cause a reset, I'll salute him as I did with MarkVZ.



[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 04-07-2000).]