T Boone Pickens

[Megalodon]

windmills kill condors, so you can't put them in Cal. they will have to put them in your back yard.

well that puts you as a little beehind!  

[bj229r]

BJ and BT,

It's not I repeat NOT about replacement.  The cost and time to get a nuke plant online is staggering.  We havn't built one in decades plus the liberals (most of them) don't want them.

This isn't a fix, it's a suppliment.  I don't want tax subsidies but there is ALOT of land out there doing absolutly nothing at all.  We can put enough wind and solar farms on them to SUPPLIMENT our energy dependence while we build more nuke plants.....if you get the liberals in on it. 

This is the problem there is NO energy plan. 

SO what if we pay a farmer a few bucks to use his land.  That doesn't mean he's sitting on his bellybutton collecting a check.  Dollars to doughnuts he's still farming.  We should be investing in these not blowing them off as tried and faild because THEY"VE NEVER BEEN TRIED HERE!

Add this to some tidal current generators and you have a good source of clean energy to SUPPLIMENT the current supply and as hangtime said DEMAND IS GOING TO RISE!  do we buy more oil?  burn more coal?

I dont disagree with that at all Gunslinger, but there are a LOT of people (in Congress too, lol) that wind and solar CAN replace fossil fuels in generating electricity. I'm thinking we use more coal than oil in producing power anyway...not sure. (Though obviously, ANYthing helps)All that stopping coal does is make the global warming people happy. Biggest use of oil is vehicles, I'd imagine, wish something would come up there

[WWhiskey]

T Boone Pickens plan is to make himself richer.  While this is absolutely commendable, the fact that he's hiding it and trying to make himself seem noble and driven with a High Purpose is not.



"The man who wishes for the government to adopt and enforce HIS ideas, is the kind of man who's ideas are idiotic."

 ever heard of the quantum group? i bet you will find a whole lot of his money tied up there.
if this thing happens, there stock holdings will go thru the roof!!
i have a few of the same pieces they have, and for money making, pay attention to the big boy's who know how too do it!!
 as for the plan we have the wind here so why not, but it would be better located in the north east to provide power to help get off fuel oil, to heat those homes!! that being said  am still happy with the plan for another reason, if this thing gets built,
 i will get to help build it! guaranteed work for the next year or more, ye ha

[Stang]

Amazing... what a buncha freakin whiners..... I guess y'all figure that we should wait for Exxon or the Dept Of Energy to solve the energy crisis? Who the hell was it in the McCain campaign that said the american public was a buncha puzzies waiting on a free lunch? The guy was right.... look at you guys!

Yup; the guy is an old 'Big Oil' hound... and better yet, he made his bones by devouring larger oil companies... the guy is a regular wall-street raider. His political tricks are also well known. Since when did it become dis-reputable to eat a poorly managed company or make a damn profit? So he kicked Kerry in the balls... I don't consider that dirty pool... the lyin' hoot tossed his medals over the freakin white house fence... bastard deserved a kick in the balls.

Pickens has also recognized the handwriting on the wall... and sees an opportunity to make some more bucks, this time by creating a new type of energy company business model that can provide a not insignificant bump to power on the grid.

As for the technology... sure; storing electricity from turbines and solar fields is problematic, but there is absolutely no denying that it generates power... a hell of a lot of it, and that none of it will be 'wasted'... and yes, it will not; by itself, replace oil or LNG.... but it WILL make a big assed dent in the use of oil and LNG for power on the grids this system will supply. Add in re-deployment of nuclear, plus conversion of oil to LNG and hybrids for transportation and we'll be heading off down the road towards energy independence.... and we can get started NOW... he's already got proven systems up and running... on his dime. (not yours or mine)

So, aside from the fact that he's making a buck, and the libs hate his politics, anybody got any valid reasons why he should be dismissed as 'irrelevant'?

.... or shall we all just sit here and whine while we wait for the government to solve ourenergy problems?

Hang

[JoeA]

I'm thinking we use more coal than oil in producing power anyway...not sure.

Coal produces 50% of the electricity in the US.  Oil produces about 1%, usually used only for backups when primary electric system is down.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epa/epat1p1.html#_ftn2

[BTW]

Coal produces 50% of the electricity in the US.  Oil produces about 1%, usually used only for backups when primary electric system is down.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epa/epat1p1.html#_ftn2

Well coal and oil are both fossil fuels and come from the same peat. I think oil and petroleum are used interchangeably in discussions like this. I take it to mean oil, coal and natural gas. Its irrelevant to the discussion, since the real point is the advantages of conventional fossil fuels over developing alternate energy sources. If someone is discussing clean coal technology, then I guess its important.

[Scherf]

In the 140 buck a barrel environment, it's profitable without subsidy..

Trouble is, there's about as many oil-fired power plants near hear as there are coal-powered cars.

[Bones]

Bones I'm not feeding you any crap.  If it seems like the right thing that no one deserves to know, then do it. I just thought it was inconsistent to attempt to spread something as needed as that, and be put off by a few bad apples.

My apologies if my post came across as personally directed at you.  It was not.

It has always seemed to me that solar and wind power are usually best as point of use energy sources.  With a grid backup, generated by nuclear or clean coal technology. 
And yes, get a lot smarter about the kinds of appliances we use and the size and quality of our home construction.


Bones,

No offense intended, but when you state your case like that, you sound a little like one of Art Bell's guests. 

Seriously dude, your work sound interesting.  I'd consult a patent attorney.  It might cost what, 15k for a patent?  You could scrape that together in a year of delivering pizza’s at night and weekends.  Or mowing grass.  If you had a patent pending and a functioning prototype, I don’t see how you’d have any problem acquiring some venture capital.

Good luck.

Wab

I know how much a patent costs.  If I spend all my spare time working to get money to pay an attorney, then I would not have time to invest in my projects.  As it stands, I will never be able to complete all my projects in my lifetime due to lack of time and money.

I know what the posts sound like.  Some nut case waving a banner around saying, "Look at me! Look at me!".  Does not hurt my feelings if that is what anyone thinks.  Frankly, I would not blame you.  A good dose of skepticism is what keeps most ideas grounded in reality.

Mr. Pickens could have and should have used a bit more skepticism before plunging head long into a project that simply cannot work.

You aren't Joseph Newman are you? If you aren't you should touch base with him - google him

Funny.  Not unexpected though.  You would be surprised how close you are to capturing the attitude of most people when confronted with something they do not understand.

[Scherf]

Mr. Pickens could have and should have used a bit more skepticism before plunging head long into a project that simply cannot work.

As noted above, the only thing which needs to work about a T. Boone Pickens scheme is that T. Boone Pickens gets paid. That may yet happen.

[bj229r]

Well coal and oil are both fossil fuels and come from the same peat. I think oil and petroleum are used interchangeably in discussions like this. I take it to mean oil, coal and natural gas. Its irrelevant to the discussion, since the real point is the advantages of conventional fossil fuels over developing alternate energy sources. If someone is discussing clean coal technology, then I guess its important.

I think most of media do that too---the only problem is there is no shortage of coal--we are the Saudi Arabia of coal. A lot of the "we gotta get alternative energy now' crows are really global warming nutbergers,--as that would be the only reason to get away from coal, and to not drill the umteen billions of barrrels of oil we have laying about. . But as most liberals, never have the cajones to come out and announce their end goal (NO creation of 'greenhouse' gas), we are left with the windmill thing....nice idea mind you, nut not the big necessity it's made out to be. Transportation is where the problem lies, and it's not so easy to lessen that consumption without hurting the economy, the prohibitive taxes on which pays for heap many government programs

[lasersailor184]

It is not about approval.  It is about money.  I have spent all my life savings on my ideas.  I have no retirement.  I will work until the day I die.  If I lose my home, I can assure you I will destroy all my work and documentation.

For some reason, I thought investors would jump on the ideas.  I was wrong.  I made a serious error in judgement.  You see, the investors want full disclosure on the idea before they decide to invest.  Showing them it works is not enough.  Of course, I know what has happened to many inventors in the past when they did that.  They lost everything as the investor simply stole the idea, and claimed it for themselves.

It is the nature of our society.  It took me a long time to come to grips with the fact that I will never be rich and should simply stop wasting my time trying.  My time is better spent figuring out ways to reduce my cost of living so I can hang on to my home when I finally get to the point where they will no longer allow me to work.

You can take all the idealistic crap and shove it.  There will always be some rich person who will be happy to provide a marketing plan the masses will drool over.

Whine, whine, whine.  squeak, squeak, squeak.  Blame your apparent failures on someone else.  When everything falls apart, it's not your problem, but theirs.


You are a failure because you have accepted it.  Hell, you probably accepted it way before you started.  Getting something done requires tenacity, and drive. 

But then again, had everyone quit when things became remotely difficult, we'd probably still be swinging copper swords at each other.

[moot]

Pouring in money, despite not having much of it, till the end of his life, whether he'll manage to finish the project or die trying, that's not drive and tenacity?

[lasersailor184]

Pouring in money, despite not having much of it, till the end of his life, whether he'll manage to finish the project or die trying, that's not drive and tenacity?

He's already quit.  It's apparent.

[Bones]

The only thing I have quit on is people.  I will complete as many of my ideas I can before I die. I am not a failure.  Society is a failure.  If you think I am feeling sorry for myself, then you have completely misinterpreted my postings. 

There comes a point when you realize that beating your head against a wall only hurts your head.  It does not take a rocket scientist to know when to quit wasting time and money on people who have no need for cheaper/cleaner power.

Tell me laser, how many ideas have you gotten funded in your lifetime?  Just curious.

[lasersailor184]

Actually, I'm in the process of doing it now.  Successfully. 



It's always society's failure.  Never yours.