Author Topic: Obama - If he can't have cameras there, why bother visiting wounded soldiers?  (Read 1013 times)

Offline Mojava

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« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2008, 07:51:22 AM »
Anyone who is seriously considering voting for this guy is an idiot and you'll get exactly what you deserve if he wins.

  I said the same thing about Bush Jr. 

  The funny thing is, if he went, you wingnuts would whine about him not respecting the privacy of our wounded troops. 

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Actually Bush goes and visits the wounded troops quite often, but he doesn't bring the media with him when he does it. I have a friend that works at Walter Reed and we e-mail back and forth all the time, and he has told me that Bush comes by to visit with the troops all the time. No one hears about it though because he keeps it private.

Obama couldn't do that. As soon as the Pentagon told his staff not to bring the media circus they were traveling with into the hospital, he cancelled the trip because he wasn't going to get the press coverage he was looking for. Those wounded troopers weren't worth his time if he couldn't use them to his advantage, so he blew them off, and then has the audacity to say he did it out of respect for their privacy. What a load of crap. The only reason he was seen playing basketball with some of the troops was because it was good press for him. Do you think he would have hung around if they were told to turn the cameras off?

The point is he was there in Germany. Cameras or no cameras as a canidate for President he had a DUTY to go and visit those wounded troops. He failed BIG time, again.

I could care less about his politics. I really don't care. I don't vote the party line. I vote for the person. Obama has not impressed me at all as a person. Sure he's polished and looks good in a suit, and can do a speech that will bring thousands of people the their feet cheering for him, but so could Hitler. He would sell out his own mother if it was good for his political agenda, and that's not the sort of person I trust to lead this country.
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« Reply #32 on: July 28, 2008, 08:24:32 AM »
Quick!  Someone make a thread bashing McCain on something so the other half the bbs can all moan and whine!
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« Reply #33 on: July 28, 2008, 08:25:06 AM »
The funny thing is, if he went, you wingnuts would whine about him not respecting the privacy of our wounded troops.

Damned if he does and damed if he doesn't. But, when he was in Germany, he should have made a side excursion to visit the wounded.

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« Reply #34 on: July 28, 2008, 08:49:33 AM »
Obama couldn't do that. As soon as the Pentagon told his staff not to bring the media circus they were traveling with into the hospital, he cancelled the trip because he wasn't going to get the press coverage he was looking for. Those wounded troopers weren't worth his time if he couldn't use them to his advantage, so he blew them off, and then has the audacity to say he did it out of respect for their privacy..

and the lie is perpetuated...

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« Reply #35 on: July 28, 2008, 09:43:26 AM »
and the lie is perpetuated...

What lie?? He was planning to go visit, the Pentagon told him they didn't want all the press to show up, so he cancelled the trip. I don't care what his people say is the reason he should have gone to see them and left the reporters in their hotel. Why couldn't he do that? The lame excuse of not wanting to go because the trip was funded by his campaign is a load of crap. Them saying the military told them not to go is a load of crap. So tell me MT what is the real reason he didn't go visit those troops because nothing him or his people have said makes any sense at all.

As reported by ABC News

Whitman said Obama is "certainly welcome to visit a military medical facility any time he wants to," as long as that visit was consistent with that of a sitting senator.

He added, "We do have certain policy guidelines for political campaigns and elections and what's appropriate and not appropriate in those situations. But, the Pentagon, to use your words, certainly did not tell the senator that he could not visit Landstuhl."


The spokesman said that because Obama is both a sitting senator and a political candidate, any visit to Landstuhl would have had to be undertaken within the restrictions that apply to both.

"When you are doing things like a visit to Landstuhl you need to do it in your sitting capacity or you have to do it within the restrictions that apply to any other candidate that might be running for office that is not a sitting senator. So you have to be able to draw those distinctions. Generally speaking the military tries very hard not to get involved in political campaigns."

According to Whitman, Senate staffers could have accompanied Obama, but not campaign staffers. "It would be appropriate to do that with your Senate staff and obviously not with your campaign staff." He added that it would be easy to differentiate the two, "either you work for the senator's staff or you work on the campaign staff, it's very different."

Any discussion of cameras or photographers accompanying Obama was "off the table," said Whitman, who stressed that because of privacy issues, no photography is allowed at Landstuhl.

Whitman noted that during his visit to Iraq, Obama visited a military medical facility, but did so under the auspices of his participation in a congressional delegation, a CODEL.

"There's a distinction that he was part of a CODEL for his visit to Iraq and Afghanistan, then he terminated his participation in the CODEL and then went off to do other things," said Whitman.


So on his trip he used his staus as a sitting Senator to get into medical facilities in Iraq and Afghanistan, where by the way there penty of cameras to see him do it, but in Germany were they have a strict no camera policy he ducked out. Hmmmm used his campaign financed trip as a CODEL when it suited him.
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« Reply #36 on: July 28, 2008, 09:55:26 AM »
and the lie is perpetuated...

Exactly where are you getting your information? I've read numerous accounts, and all point out that this was a pre-planned visit by Obama, that the Pentagon informed Obama that he could conduct the visit, but under the normal rules for a sitting senator or representative, i.e. no outside press and only military photographers, and that it was at that point that Obama cancelled the trip.  The Pentagon didn't cancel the visit; they in fact were willing to accomadate him and his schedule.

This was a dumb decision on Obama's part, plain and simple.  He'd have come off looking better if, instead of cancelling the visit (again, it was he that cancelled, not the Pentagon) he'd gone on record as agreeing whole-heartedly with the policy, and visited simply as what he is...a sitting senator.  He could have then held a press conference afterwards, praising the spirit and sacrifice of our troops.  THAT would have earned him at least a grudging nod of respect from me (something he has so far failed to earn).
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« Reply #37 on: July 28, 2008, 10:00:34 AM »
All of which is just more BS about nothing. Obama's staff said they didn't go because they thought it was inappropriate. Nowhere in your post is that refuted... nowhere.

So all this adds up to is a non-story like so many other non-stories told about the candidate by wingnuts trying to propagandize the process.

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« Reply #38 on: July 28, 2008, 10:08:02 AM »


  The funny thing is, if he went, you wingnuts would whine about him not respecting the privacy of our wounded troops. 

Totally false, I would have applauded his visit.  If you ever spend anytime at one of these places maybe you'd understand. While there he should have visited the wounded serviceman PERIOD. The excuse used for not going is weak. As an American citizen, he should have payed his respects to these people. Presidential candidate aside, he is member of of congress he should consider it his duty to visit these people campaign or no campaign.

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How would visiting those troops in his capacity as Senator be inappropriate? It wouldn't be, even the Pentagon says that's not inappropriate. So WHY did he cancel the visit?

A logical person can only conclude he cancelled because he wasn't going to get what HE wanted out of the trip.

Come on MT you KNOW visiting those troops after planning on doing so for 3 weeks would have been the right thing to do. Leaving the press out of the visit, leaving his campaign staff in the hotel, and going as a Senator, not a Presidential canidate would have been appropriate.
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« Reply #40 on: July 28, 2008, 11:44:09 AM »
Obama's staff said they didn't go because they thought it was inappropriate.

So all this adds up to is a non-story like so many other non-stories told about the candidate by wingnuts trying to propagandize the process.

Its a non story to you.  It needs to be in order to rationalize your liberal core.

Obama needs to be careful not to lose himself in the midst of hundreds of leftist party operatives controlling his every move.  He should have visited, its insulting that he did not and regrettably telling about whats to come. 

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« Reply #41 on: July 28, 2008, 12:11:02 PM »
 How about you check out a little bit of truth on the matter http://www.jedreport.com/2008/07/just-to-be-clea.html

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« Reply #42 on: July 28, 2008, 12:15:20 PM »
'The truth' :rofl  The truth is neither republican nor democrat.  The truth is that anyone buying into the token repub VS demo red herring is showing their true colors, putting partisanship above authentic american interests. 
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« Reply #43 on: July 28, 2008, 12:18:08 PM »
How about you check out a little bit of truth on the matter http://www.jedreport.com/2008/07/just-to-be-clea.html

 The truth will set you free.

Glad to hear it.  :aok

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« Reply #44 on: July 28, 2008, 12:46:24 PM »
The truth will set you free.

"On his trip he used his staus as a sitting Senator to get into medical facilities in Iraq and Afghanistan, where by the way there penty of cameras to see him do it, but in Germany were they have a strict no camera policy he ducked out."

Is this a truthful assesment?


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