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Offline TwinBoom

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Re: Next: the Brewster
« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2008, 11:05:46 AM »
Ultimate hangar queen?...

i think it will fill gap in midwar and be flown as much as a spit


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Powered by a supercharged 678kW Hispano-Suiza 12Y45 engine, the D.520 was armed with an engine-mounted HS-404 20mm cannon and four wing-mounted 7.5mm MAC machine-guns. The wing was a single-spar structure with duralumin skinning. Ailerons were fabric-covered and flaps pneumatically operated. The fuselage was an all-metal monocoque structure and the wide-track undercarriage legs retracted inwards into the wing profile
WEIGHTS
    Take-off weight 2677 kg 5902 lb
    Empty weight 2123 kg 4680 lb
 DIMENSIONS
    Wingspan 10.2 m 33 ft 6 in
    Length 8.6 m 28 ft 3 in
    Height 2.57 m 8 ft 5 in
    Wing area 15.97 m2 171.90 sq ft
 PERFORMANCE
    Max. speed 534 km/h 332 mph
    Ceiling 10500 m 34450 ft
    Range 1540 km 957 miles

Plus  several countries flew this bird
Operators: France, Luftwaffe, Regia Aeronautica, Bulgaria, Rumania, Free French Forces.


« Last Edit: July 27, 2008, 11:09:03 AM by TwinBoom »
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Re: Next: the Brewster
« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2008, 12:05:44 PM »
i think it will fill gap in midwar and be flown as much as a spit
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Specification
Powered by a supercharged 678kW Hispano-Suiza 12Y45 engine, the D.520 was armed with an engine-mounted HS-404 20mm cannon and four wing-mounted 7.5mm MAC machine-guns. The wing was a single-spar structure with duralumin skinning. Ailerons were fabric-covered and flaps pneumatically operated. The fuselage was an all-metal monocoque structure and the wide-track undercarriage legs retracted inwards into the wing profile
WEIGHTS
    Take-off weight 2677 kg 5902 lb
    Empty weight 2123 kg 4680 lb
 DIMENSIONS
    Wingspan 10.2 m 33 ft 6 in
    Length 8.6 m 28 ft 3 in
    Height 2.57 m 8 ft 5 in
    Wing area 15.97 m2 171.90 sq ft
 PERFORMANCE
    Max. speed 534 km/h 332 mph
    Ceiling 10500 m 34450 ft
    Range 1540 km 957 miles

Plus  several countries flew this bird
Operators: France, Luftwaffe, Regia Aeronautica, Bulgaria, Rumania, Free French Forces.




IIRC luftwaffe flew d250s that they captured once the occupied france, but only for training purposes.
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Re: Next: the Brewster
« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2008, 02:58:32 PM »
 :rock :rock :rock



... and it's no DEWOthinggamadoo or sumpthin  :P


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Re: Next: the Brewster
« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2008, 04:05:51 PM »
:rock :rock :rock

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... and it's no DEWOthinggamadoo or sumpthin  :P
:rofl :aok
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Re: Next: the Brewster
« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2008, 04:33:10 PM »
Yes please, bring the Brewster into AH!  :aok

Blast from the past:




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Re: Next: the Brewster
« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2008, 05:18:19 PM »
Idk, I found this off that thread....


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The Brewster company went under during the war, almost 55 years ago.  Do you have any idea how difficult it is to find performance data on an aircraft like the Buffalo after all that time? 

Even aircraft like the Corsair, which was far more popular with warbird enthusiasts than the despised and denigrated Buffalo, suffers from a lack of data.  Francis Dean has done as much research into World War II fighters as any author in our times.  As just one example of the problems he encountered in trying to gather data for his tome "America's Hundred Thousand" Dean states that no F4U roll rate data could be found above 290 mph IAS.

Cry in your beers if you must, but I strongly suspect that we will never see the Brewster in AH simply because there is not enough reliable, documented flight dat in existence to allow HiTech to create a viable flight model.
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Re: Next: the Brewster
« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2008, 05:44:00 PM »
I think the Brewster would be a lot better addition than the Dewotine...
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Re: Next: the Brewster
« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2008, 05:49:18 PM »
Dunno how the Luftwaffe faired against them, but the Regia Aeronautica operating CR.42s and CR.36s had a lot of troubles with the D.520 despite their numerical superiority.

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Re: Next: the Brewster
« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2008, 05:51:10 PM »
I'm sorta baiting for someone to prove me wrong.  I'd never heard of the plane till someone mentionned it in a thread much like this one.  Gonna go read up on it.  Personaly though, I think the Finns deserve the Brewster way more than the tiny number of french players do the D520.. As far as I can tell anyway.
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Re: Next: the Brewster
« Reply #24 on: July 28, 2008, 01:25:33 AM »
Both the Finns and the Frenchmen could unite behind Curtiss Hawk 75  :aok :aok :aok   ... the export model of P-36  :salute

...but Brewster would still kick its butt ;)

But frankly, I would support just about anything and everything for the early-mid war set (1939-1942)
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Re: Next: the Brewster
« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2008, 03:14:20 AM »
See htc, the people now want early birds. ;)

yes to the He-111 and brewster!  :rock
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Re: Next: the Brewster
« Reply #26 on: July 28, 2008, 04:16:07 AM »
See htc, the people now want early birds. ;)

yes to the He-111 and brewster!  :rock

Now? Nah.. people allways want early birds.

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Re: Next: the Brewster
« Reply #27 on: July 28, 2008, 07:04:23 AM »
Shouldnt this thread be in the wishlist forum?
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Re: Next: the Brewster
« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2008, 07:07:49 AM »
I have lost my faith, it will never come.

keep that reverse psychology up Mipoikel and it might happen.

Personally would like to see yak3 or I16.

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Re: Next: the Brewster
« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2008, 11:46:58 AM »
Here's the old quote angelsandair resurrected:

Frankly, you silly, delusional twits, I don't see how it's possible.

The Brewster company went under during the war, almost 55 years ago.  Do you have any idea how difficult it is to find performance data on an aircraft like the Buffalo after all that time? 

Even aircraft like the Corsair, which was far more popular with warbird enthusiasts than the despised and denigrated Buffalo, suffers from a lack of data.  Francis Dean has done as much research into World War II fighters as any author in our times.  As just one example of the problems he encountered in trying to gather data for his tome "America's Hundred Thousand" Dean states that no F4U roll rate data could be found above 290 mph IAS.

Cry in your beers if you must, but I strongly suspect that we will never see the Brewster in AH simply because there is not enough reliable, documented flight dat in existence to allow HiTech to create a viable flight model.

Twits.

angelsandair,

Since Brewster Model 239 was included in the vote for a new aircraft after this quote was written I can't really see how this is relevant in anyway. Pyro and HTC sure seems to think it's possible to model Brewster with enough degree of accuracy...

...but I'll address the arguments in the quote anyway...

So, since there's is no roll rate data for the F4U above 290mph IAS, how can it be in the game? ;) We know it's Vne at most alts is higher than that. :) In one roll rate thread (from 2004) Pyro said that he hasn't seen any (numerical?) roll rate data for La-5...and yet we also have that aircraft in the game.

Good, fairly accurate educated guesses can be made about lot of things. In case of La-5's roll rate, other aircraft with similar design can be looked at for reference and subject aircraft's structures can be studied which both help to arrive to a good conclusion.

And unlike Shuckins assumes, very accurate data and handling charateristics describtions actually exist in a report supplied by the Brewster Aeronautical Corporation to Finland with the Brewsters. Mr. Jukka Raunio has extensively quoted that document in his book Lentäjän Näkökulma II (Pilot's Viewpoint II) and Camo has send this information to Pyro. Only thing that really is missing is (again) numerical roll rate data but there are some describtions about how Brewster rolled which can be taken into account.

The following and a lot more data is available about the Brewster 239:

- Structural limitations (IIRC -4/+9 G, don't remember the safety coefficients off hand, can be found from the document I mentioned)
- Reliable speed/climb curves
- Stall speeds (clean/"dirty") /airfoil data /lift coefficient
- Extensive CoG-data
- Accurate handling characteristics describtions (not just pilots anecdotes, they are based on the test pilot's reports)
- Accurate fuel consumption figures
- The obvious technical specs (wing area, hp, weights)

...I'd guess the above alone is enough to model an aircraft to AH2's FM-engine.
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