Author Topic: The United States is now winning the war that two years ago seemed lost.  (Read 1632 times)

Offline Ripsnort

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AP press report. Wow!  :O
Stolen liberally (pun intended) from another BBS.

Analysis
By Robert Burns and Robert H. Reid
updated 4:25 p.m. ET, Sat., July. 26, 2008

BAGHDAD - The United States is now winning the war that two years ago seemed lost.

Limited, sometimes sharp fighting and periodic terrorist bombings in Iraq are likely to continue, possibly for years. But the Iraqi government and the U.S. now are able to shift focus from mainly combat to mainly building the fragile beginnings of peace — a transition that many found almost unthinkable as recently as one year ago.

Despite the occasional bursts of violence, Iraq has reached the point where the insurgents, who once controlled whole cities, no longer have the clout to threaten the viability of the central government.

That does not mean the war has ended or that U.S. troops have no role in Iraq. It means the combat phase finally is ending, years past the time when President Bush optimistically declared it had.

The new phase focuses on training the Iraqi army and police, restraining the flow of illicit weaponry from Iran, supporting closer links between Baghdad and local governments, pushing the integration of former insurgents into legitimate government jobs and assisting in rebuilding the economy.

A lull in violence?
Scattered battles go on, especially against al-Qaida holdouts north of Baghdad. But organized resistance, with the steady drumbeat of bombings, kidnappings, assassinations and ambushes that once rocked the capital daily, has all but ceased.

This amounts to more than a lull in the violence. It reflects a fundamental shift in the outlook for the Sunni minority, which held power under Saddam Hussein. They launched the insurgency five years ago. They now are either sidelined or have switched sides to cooperate with the Americans in return for money and political support.

Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, told The Associated Press this past week there are early indications that senior leaders of al-Qaida may be considering shifting their main focus from Iraq to the war in Afghanistan.

Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, told the AP on Thursday that the insurgency as a whole has withered to the point where it is no longer a threat to Iraq's future......

it continues....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25863695/

This was perhaps the most significant passage. It may or may not be accurate, but it's somewhat surprising coming from the AP...

"Very clearly, the insurgency is in no position to overthrow the government or, really, even to challenge it," Crocker said. "It's actually almost in no position to try to confront it. By and large, what's left of the insurgency is just trying to hang on."

"Off to Iran
Shiite militias, notably the Mahdi Army of radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, have lost their power bases in Baghdad, Basra and other major cities. An important step was the routing of Shiite extremists in the Sadr City slums of eastern Baghdad this spring — now a quiet though not fully secure district.

Al-Sadr and top lieutenants are now in Iran. Still talking of a comeback, they are facing major obstacles, including a loss of support among a Shiite population weary of war and no longer as terrified of Sunni extremists as they were two years ago."

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And this was done in spite of Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and John Murtha trying desperately to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Who's dumber, that trio of defeatism or those who voted for them?
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And this was done in spite of Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and John Murtha trying desperately to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Who's dumber, that trio of defeatism or those who voted for them?



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I suspect our 'success' is due in equal parts to the media generated perception of progress and the successful adaption by the military of it's new mission.

occupation/population control

The military has now been adapted to a mission that should make every American cringe.... sealing urban areas, kicking down doors and collecting weapons.



...a role not particularly well suited to hunting guerrillas in the pashtun, unfortunately.
« Last Edit: July 27, 2008, 01:16:51 AM by Hangtime »
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I actually agree with you Hangtime! I like having guns/weapons and Im proud to live in a country where I can own one even an automatic like my Thompson. None of my guns are going to stop a tank or anything but its fun to shoot when I can and its not like I can depose the despot Obama but it does bother me to think we are kicking down doors and taking weapons from people that may actually need them to defend themselves from terrorists.
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I actually agree with you Hangtime! I like having guns/weapons and Im proud to live in a country where I can own one even an automatic like my Thompson. None of my guns are going to stop a tank or anything but its fun to shoot when I can and its not like I can depose the despot Obama but it does bother me to think we are kicking down doors and taking weapons from people that may actually need them to defend themselves from terrorists.

I couldn't disagree more. When youre walking down the street, in what is essentially an enemy nation, (When there are MANY people trying to kill you, its an enemy state) and you can ONLY kill the bad guys, not innocent civilians, how do you tell friend from foe if EVERYONE has a gun?!? Remove the guns from EVERYONE. Or start carpet bombing. Im personally more fond of the latter, but sadly its just too unrealistic.

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Okay but consider what happens when our future despot takes office and brings the troops home. Now no one in the country has weapons Iran marches in and starts shooting anyone with anything more than an 8th grade education and then everything is back where it started.
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Okay but consider what happens when our future despot takes office and brings the troops home. Now no one in the country has weapons Iran marches in and starts shooting anyone with anything more than an 8th grade education and then everything is back where it started.

Carpet bombing anyone? lol. Theres no real winning over there. It was stupid to get into it, and now we are stuck picking up the peices. There is no "victory". There is only a lack of "defeat".

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I couldn't disagree more. When youre walking down the street, in what is essentially an enemy nation, (When there are MANY people trying to kill you, its an enemy state) and you can ONLY kill the bad guys, not innocent civilians, how do you tell friend from foe if EVERYONE has a gun?!? Remove the guns from EVERYONE. Or start carpet bombing. Im personally more fond of the latter, but sadly its just too unrealistic.

Care to explain why the United States Military should be trained for or tasked with population control? Dealing with civil unrest? Functioning as a police force in a foreign country?

Care to give me a reason why a father of 3, armed to protect himself, his family and meager possessions from violent militias in the employ of a 'religious leader' with beliefs or social agenda different than is own should be summarily disarmed... and then abandoned to his own devices in the midst of what amounts to a civil war?

... and while the Military strips the weapons from both sides, guess who will be rearmed by the Iranians... and who won't.

Care to tell he how he can, in good faith, consider the people that disarmed him and left him helpless as anything less than the enemy?

We're NOT engendering feelings of goodwill amongst the people we're ostensibly protecting, (and soon to be abandoning) if we're there to subdue them to the will of a 'leader', political or religious, that they neither trust or desire.

I suspect we're the finest recruiters for the jihadists could ever hope for. I know if a Marine kicked in my door; he and the government that put him in that role would have an enemy for life. How could I ever assume anybody would react differently?

If this is 'success', then is it worth the price?
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C'mon Hang, the ARVN will hold out just fine against Uncle Ho's boys.  How about getting with the program?  Why don't you jump on the team and come on in for the big win?

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Was there a change in the laws over in Iraq recently, because last I heard Iraq civilians were allowed to have 1 weapon per household, it was either 1 per household or 1 for every adult male(not sure if it included females) in the house.
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C'mon Hang, the ARVN will hold out just fine against Uncle Ho's boys.  How about getting with the program?  Why don't you jump on the team and come on in for the big win?


Kinda poor taste... having served there; left friends there; I'm significantly less than amused by the proposition. But having broached it.. if our esteemed government bothered to keep the promises it made when we left we wouldn't have had to listen to them on the radio dying for lack of air support and resupply when the north invaded after we left.

...just as I suspect we won't be keeping the promises we make when we leave these people to their own devices.
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Iraq's do not need guns right now, only iraq's who should have guns are police and military, it is the police and military and our job to keep them safe now, once this is established, they're will be a law passed anyone showing or concealing a weapon will be a threat at least enough to shoot.

Keeps us safe, keeps iraq's people safe.
Makes sure anyone with a weapon is ~enemy~



When our boys & gals pull out, if the iraq's wanna pass a bill or such stating 1 Ak or whatever per home, is upto them.
I just hope they don't burn or destroy these guns/ammo, it is just as worthwhile burying them in big boxes in the sand, just in case iraq needs to fight for its security and whatnot, in the future.

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I couldnt care less about the gun rights of Iraqi citizens.

All I care about is the safety of our troops.
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