Author Topic: P-47M vs P-47N  (Read 5674 times)

Offline WMLute

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Re: P-47M vs P-47N
« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2009, 03:17:16 PM »
You have to punt every 8 year old thread now?  :rolleyes:

only 2 so far.

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Offline OOZ662

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Re: P-47M vs P-47N
« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2009, 03:32:09 PM »
"Only 2, guise." Lawl.
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Offline Westy

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Re: P-47M vs P-47N
« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2009, 03:37:19 PM »
 Ought to make for some fun fights vs TA-152's up high Saxman!  Besides being good for
hi alt buff and jet hunting some sqauds may find it really good for escort when running
hi-alt "missuns"
 Then again it's been years since I've logged and if there hasn't been a sole above 25k in
a coons age then maybe it'll just be a novelty like the TA. Well at least there could be a
parity of sorts for those who want to fly fighters at hi alts.

Offline Anaxogoras

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Re: P-47M vs P-47N
« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2009, 04:27:57 PM »
Ehhh, I don't see the harm in punting this thread...  It's that or start a new one and replicate the topic.

Did a little offline testing.

The P-47M has the MIL power performance of a P-47D-40 in speed and climb (better than the N), the WEP speed of the P-47N, and a 3,500fpm climb at WEP (which is far better than the 47N).
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Offline ZULU6

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Re: P-47M vs P-47N
« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2009, 06:21:20 PM »
The P-47M was the faster production version of the Thunderbolt. That speed was achieved by using the Pratt & Whitney R-2800-14W or R-2800-57 engine, with the CH-5 turbo-supercharger. At full boost this engine could provide 2,800hp, giving the P-47M a top speed of 473mph at 32,000 feet, an improvement of 50mph over the P-47D.

The P-47M entered service with the 56th Fighter Group, based at Boxted, in early 1945. By that point the 56th FG was the only fighter group in the 8th Fighter Command still using the P-47. The P-47M was not used against the V-1 flying bombs, as is often stated – that campaign was already over by the time it entered service. It is possible that the three YP-47M pre-production aircraft were shipped to England to serve in this capacity, thus explaining the later confusion.

The P-47M suffered from a series of problems. The new engine was particularly problematic – at one point every engine in use was withdrawn and replaced by new units. It also has much shorter range than the P-47D.

It did not enter active service until April 1945, too late to make a significant contribution to the war. However, the massive increase in speed did allow the P-47M to shoot down a number of Messerschmitt Me 262 jet fighters, whose pilots must have been surprised to find an apparently familiar aircraft almost keeping pace with them.

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Offline Anaxogoras

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Re: P-47M vs P-47N
« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2009, 07:01:21 PM »
The charts are up:





Now we can see exactly why the P-47M is a true late war monster: it overcomes the major weakness of the N-Jug, thrust:weight.
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Offline Westy

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Re: P-47M vs P-47N
« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2009, 07:17:56 PM »
"It did not enter active service until April 1945.."

Huh? The 56th started flying sorties with their M's on Jan 14th.

Offline oboe

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Re: P-47M vs P-47N
« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2009, 07:21:21 PM »
Welcome P-47M to AH2, and thanks to Greebo for the beautiful skin!   

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Re: P-47M vs P-47N
« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2009, 07:36:05 PM »


Am i too late?  :uhoh

Edit: whoops wrong picture.
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Re: P-47M vs P-47N
« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2009, 07:52:50 PM »
Am i too late?  :uhoh

No but your a dollar short.....

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Re: P-47M vs P-47N
« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2009, 06:35:33 AM »
Punt? Who cares, it's relevant.

Anax, did you do any WEP testing yet to see how long the wep lasts compared to the N or D40?  And also the WEP recharge rate...

It's probably the same but only one way to find out.
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Offline Anaxogoras

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Re: P-47M vs P-47N
« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2009, 06:41:28 AM »
No, but I would expect it to be the same as the P-47N and F4U-4: 5 min of WEP.  I don't know how long it takes to recharge.  The short WEP duration isn't so troubling in the 47M as it is in the N, because you MIL power speed/climb is faster.
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Offline Westy

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Re: P-47M vs P-47N
« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2009, 09:11:24 AM »
Just bridging the gap between old players and new.

Cuious. Anyone takes an M way up there and try it out against a TA-152 at all?

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Re: P-47M vs P-47N
« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2009, 09:31:23 AM »
I dusted off one of my reference books last night (I'll post title later tonight), and was surprised by two things about the P-47M.

1.  It was considered light at 14,000 lbs.  It was relatively light compared to the 21,000 lbs if the P-47N.

2. The M only had 6 0.50's.  Can anyone else confirm this? 

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Offline grizz441

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Re: P-47M vs P-47N
« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2009, 12:31:02 PM »
Just bridging the gap between old players and new.

Cuious. Anyone takes an M way up there and try it out against a TA-152 at all?

Pretty sure it would be like a Spit16 vs Ta152 on the deck.  P47M would thrash it.