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Offline Choocha

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Are States Necessary?
« on: July 29, 2008, 05:25:46 PM »
      It just seems like there is just too much government – particularly at the State and Local Levels these days.  When I was a kid the only thing the local government did was give out license plates.
     In one county you can drink, the next county over you can’t.  A sheriff in one county is on a personnel mission to run strip clubs out of business while they flourish in another county.  I drive in my small city into a smaller city without even noticing a change.  Yet, each has their own mini-governments complete with separate fire and police.  Ever check on the price of a fire engine?  There is no thought to economies of scale here.  Nepotism is so bad it is completely out in the open.  I got a ticket from the city for not cutting my grass in a timely manner…$150.  They tell me how big my garage can be and will sue me if I add on.  They adjust my property tax when home values rise but are very slow to adjust when they fall.
      In one state you get caught with 9oz or booger sugar and you can be out in one year with good behavior.  In another, 9oz get you felony intent to deliver with a mandatory TEN YEARS.  How would you like to be caught at the border…on the wrong side, having to eat those ten years?  One state KILLS while the other doesn’t.
      It doesn’t take a three day trip via horse to get from New York to Philly anymore.  Information travels at the speed of light.  “States Rights” is an issue of the past.  It doesn’t matter anymore.  We need to destroy government everywhere it exists except a SMALL FOOTPRINT central government that keeps the hell out of my business. A central government half its current size could run this country easy.
Right now we are a schizophrenic country with wildly varying rules and laws.  Government is bad but necessary at a very small level.  Consolidating power and taking advantage of economies of scale would be the solution. 
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Offline Sandman

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Re: Are States Necessary?
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2008, 05:34:59 PM »
I think we should reduce the federal government and increase the state. So... no. Hell no.
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Re: Are States Necessary?
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2008, 05:43:43 PM »
I think we don't need the US. ROT, baby! :)
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Re: Are States Necessary?
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2008, 05:46:29 PM »
I think we don't need the US. ROT, baby! :)

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Re: Are States Necessary?
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2008, 06:07:58 PM »
I think we should reduce the federal government and increase the state. So... no. Hell no.

Yup. And wouldn't it be nice if the federal government was suddenly fired by a joint declaration by the governors of these here 'united states'. Cripes, somebody needs to start a movement... FIRE THE FEDS!

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Re: Are States Necessary?
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2008, 08:36:26 PM »
Yup. And wouldn't it be nice if the federal government was suddenly fired by a joint declaration by the governors of these here 'united states'. Cripes, somebody needs to start a movement... FIRE THE FEDS!

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I'll go along with it if, AND ONLY IF, upon completion we immediately turn around and fire the State governments as well.
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« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2008, 08:51:05 PM »
All one big reason for term limits.
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Re: Are States Necessary?
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2008, 09:04:42 PM »
Yeah, states are VERY necessary. It's the FEDERAL clowns we need to reduce by 90%.
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Re: Are States Necessary?
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2008, 09:15:23 PM »
America was originally created where individual states held much power over policy.

If it wasnt for the civil war it would probably still be that way.

I believe the Fed is to powerful. To arrogant and to powerful.
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Re: Are States Necessary?
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2008, 09:19:18 PM »
Yep, you got it exactly backwards.

The question is do we really need the Feds.

Nice thing about states running things is if you don't like it you still have 49 other choices.
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Re: Are States Necessary?
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2008, 09:22:41 PM »
America was originally created where individual states held much power over policy.

If it wasnt for the civil war it would probably still be that way.

I believe the Fed is to powerful. To arrogant and to powerful.

If you're not going to say something intelligent, don't say anything at all.


The first confederacy ended LONG before people were even thinking of a civil war.  It ended because it came apart at the seams.

You give a politician any control, and they'll make a monarchy out of it.  They gave the 13 colonies self control, and they got 12 different monarchs.  And those monarchs did everything they could to tax their own people, and to tax the other monarchs.


The solution is no government at all.
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Re: Are States Necessary?
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2008, 10:09:04 PM »
If you're not going to say something intelligent, don't say anything at all.


The first confederacy ended LONG before people were even thinking of a civil war.  It ended because it came apart at the seams.

You give a politician any control, and they'll make a monarchy out of it.  They gave the 13 colonies self control, and they got 12 different monarchs.  And those monarchs did everything they could to tax their own people, and to tax the other monarchs.


The solution is no government at all.

In spite of all the anti federalist anarchy-speak Im of the opinion that things have developed more or less within reason.  In other words, I'm quite enjoying my own personal life, liberty and pursuit of happiness thank you very much.  But indeed, there are problems, big problems that always have been in one form or another, and always will be.
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Re: Are States Necessary?
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2008, 10:56:10 PM »
Yep, you got it exactly backwards.

The question is do we really need the Feds.

Nice thing about states running things is if you don't like it you still have 49 other choices.

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Re: Are States Necessary?
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2008, 11:08:25 PM »
States need to take back more power I agree. What they should do is insist that the state legislators choose the Senators and the People vote for Congress but that State legislators (also elected by the people of THAT STATE only) vote for President. The people should then realize the real power is in the Congress and that this popularity contest for the Oval Office is a useless parade.

Gee I think that was in the original Constitution?

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Re: Are States Necessary?
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2008, 11:10:10 PM »
I don't know about that, I'm not at all sure having politicians choose other politicians is smart at all.
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