Are States Necessary?

[Chalenge]

Here's the thing.  Even if you were to assume perfect implementation of the Constitution and US Government post revolution, we'd be worse off than what we had with a King in england.

Because of this, logic then shows that this country wasn't founded for our freedom, but their power.

You obviously have not read the Constitution or you have read it and got lost after the first sentence or simply didnt care to take in the essence of this perfect document. The whole purpose of the Constitution was to maintain controls and balances upon those given the power to govern and to hold the majority of powers within the governed. The people have slowly allowed the Government to take power from the people and it has been done in such a way as to allow the people to think they still have those powers. The size of Government is in direct relation to its power I mean look at the list Hangtime posted. Ninety percent of those offices should not even exist (I would say ninety-eight percent because I think all we need is the Executive Legislative and Judicial Branches) and those that do should be State run not federal posts.

The Constitution is not about freedoms. The Bill of Rights came about because in the ratification process the two parties of the time (Federalist and anti-Federalist) were concerned that the Government the Constitution created would be too powerful and the States would lose control. Ever since that time the Government has been looked upon with suspicion (warranted) and yet the people continue to allow their power to be transferred to politicians. The Bill of Rights was never intended to list all freedoms but did list the ones the people were concerned about the government trampling (of course in those times half of todays concerns would not have even been dreamt of).

Today we are in a world of hurt because the politicians control the process by which our freedoms are protected or denied. I really think since they have a list they want to deny us any other rights and then re-interpret the rights they see on the list. It really is past time for another Revolution.

[Rollins]

The solution is no government at all.

Aren't you throwing out the baby with the bathwater here?  Can you explain how that would be anywhere near feasible?

[ROX]

I live in the county.

The biggest city near me is very corrupt.  The cops give out bogus tickets then lie about it in court with a shady prosecuter.  Cops pull over pretty females for no reason then will escuse the "non-offense" for sexual favors.  It's been bad here for over a century...so I live out in the county.

Arkansas is VERY odd about city/county laws.  Many dry counties here, but people just go to the next wet county & buy booze anyway.  There is "no gambling", yet we have a grandfathered in dog and horse track that both have tons of machines that you can't tell the difference from slot machines.  No lottery here either--people just drive across the border to the next state and that state gets all the profits while our schools are 49th in the nation.

We have some cutting edge wind energy companies---and at the same time some ranches are using the same technologies as a century ago.






ROX

[Kuhn]

someone has been watching rollerball and soylent green

JOHNOTHAN!!!   JOHNOTHAN!!!   JOHNOTHAN!!!   JOHNOTHAN!!!

[Elfie]

Would you be embarrassed?

I would be. 

[Rich46yo]

Rich - what he wrote did make sense.. 

The US was first a confederation under the Articles of Confederation, IIRC.  It didn't work out very well.

No it made no sense cause I was talking about the power fo the Federal Govt. before and after the civil war. Besides hes a rude idiot and Im tired of the guy.

Any 5'th grader with a decent education knows the Civil War changed the power equation between the States and Federal Governement. In reality we have two Americas. The one before the civil war and the one after.

First off almost 1/2 of America was occupied by a Federal army under martial Law. Actually much of the confederacy was already under martial Law as the Union army occupied territory under force of arms. The use of Martial law was not all emcompassing and was used by the federal Govt. to impose its will outside the control of the civilian courts. Imagine that? A US President imposing martial law in states both north and south of the line in order to circumvent the civlian Govts. Yes ML had been used before but never like that, and never since.

And it was in many other ways the Federal govt increased its power over states after the war. It greatly expanded its power of criminal law and criminal penaltys. It completly re-wrote civil rights legislation and placed itself as the main enforcement arm. It increased its power over the mail system and interstate commerce, including the rail system. Think about that sentence? If I remember right I think that was called the Sherman act.

Regarding tarrifs and taxes this is where the Federal Govt. really won out after the war. And many people dont know but the subject of taxes and revenues was a major reason FOR the war, "slavery"? "Oh please"! The war itself almost started 13 years earlier when the Fed tried to increase taxes on southern plantation owners and was only averted after the north blinked "Andrew Jackson" remember?

I could go on and on but the fact is that only a totally unschooled fool could possibly think the civil war did not vastly increase the powers of the Federal Govt vis-a-vis State Govt's. Why should I go to such trouble to repeat what is such a obvious historical fact?

[lasersailor184]

See Rules #4, #5

[Getback]

If sure don't want Indiana being run like California or specifically San Francisco.

[Rich46yo]

See Rules #4, #5

You dont even know what Im talking about do you? You have no clue!

[AKIron]

Freedom is about choice. More is better.

[lasersailor184]

See Rules #4, #5