We are getting a T-34 85... so what tank gun of the tanks is best?

[GtoRA2]

We have:

the 88 L56 in the tiger.

The 17pounder in the firefly

the 75MM L48? in the panzer 4.

the T-34s 76

My impression was the 17 pounder would be the best, with the 88 a close second the 85 third and then 75 on the panzer and the last being the 76 on the 34.

Am I wrong here? Anyone know a good armor site that compares the balistics of all the guns?

[Lusche]

A very good site is http://gva.freeweb.hu/index.html
Very detailed penetration data.

[evenhaim]

Very detailed penetration data.

hehe

[Motherland]

hehe

[Lusche]

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[NEARY]

in my eyes i think the 85 is match for the tiger and vice-versa but the winner will be the person who sees the other one first

[Karnak]

in my eyes i think the 85 is match for the tiger and vice-versa but the winner will be the person who sees the other one first

Not really.  With basic AP ammo the T-34/85 cannot penetrate the Tiger's armor from anything other than short range.  The Tiger's 88 will go through the T-34/85's armor like a hot knife through butter.

[WPalka]

Whoooo just glad they finally are going to add the T-34/85~!!

A T-34/57 would be kinda fun too in a way
A T-34 with a high velocity 57mm gun.

[Angus]

The .88 rules of those guns while the 17 pounder penetrates as well AFAIK.

[442w30]

The fact that the Soviet 85mm is a mere 3 mm smaller than the German 88 is misleading.  The 85 is like most Soviet calibres in that it uses weight of round for penetration rather than velocity and weight.  The 85 does not have good range properties similar to the 76mm in the T34/76. 

In Aces High, all things being equal, the 88 would be king with the 17 pounder a close second. The 85 is probably a relatively distant third.

Oddly enough the Soviet 85 is easily eclipsed by the 75L70mm used on the Panther tank, a gun that also was more effective than the German's own 88L56.  The 88L56 was used in the Tiger one and was a shorter version with a smaller breach that would fit into the Tiger I's turret.  The 88 in the flak version and later in the Tiger II, Nashorn, and Elefant was the 88L71 which was the best tank gun in the war. 

[Denniss]

The fact that the Soviet 85mm is a mere 3 mm smaller than the German 88 is misleading.  The 85 is like most Soviet calibres in that it uses weight of round for penetration rather than velocity and weight.  The 85 does not have good range properties similar to the 76mm in the T34/76. 

In Aces High, all things being equal, the 88 would be king with the 17 pounder a close second. The 85 is probably a relatively distant third.

Oddly enough the Soviet 85 is easily eclipsed by the 75L70mm used on the Panther tank, a gun that also was more effective than the German's own 88L56.  The 88L56 was used in the Tiger one and was a shorter version with a smaller breach that would fit into the Tiger I's turret.  The 88 in the flak version and later in the Tiger II, Nashorn, and Elefant was the 88L71 which was the best tank gun in the war. 

Hmm, looks like you mixed something up. The 88mm flaK used caliber length very similar to the 88 L/56 of the Tiger I. The 88 L/71 of the Tiger II was not related to 88mm FlaK (it was in competition to what later became the 88mm FLaK 41 but lost and was revived to become a tank gun).
The 88L/56 penetration power should be somewhat in the area of the 17 pounder but behind. The 88L/71 is clearly better. The soviet 85mm is in the area of the german 88L/56, maybe closely behind. All those values vary with ammo types used, the 17 pounder had some high penetration ammo with this was in short supply and not much seen in 1944.

[442w30]

I stand corrected.  I was referring to the late war 88 used in flak guns rather than the 88 AA gun used say prior to the second battle of Tobruk. 

I will stick to my guns (pun intended) on comparing the 88L56 and the Soviet 85.  The 88L56 was superior in every way, especially at longer range.  Soviet tank guns have always lagged behind German gun technology. They tried to use weight of shell to make up for the velocity and accuracy they were never able to acheive as successfuly as the Brits and especially the Germans.  That is even true today with the lousy 125mm main gun of the most recent Russian tank guns compared to the 120mm Rheinmetal gun of several western tanks.

[Latrobe]

Add the Panther to the game and it will become kind of the GV's. It's 75mm round fires at such a fire velocity that it is said to have better penetration power than the 88mm on the Tiger! Atleast that's what I've heard.

Right now I'd say the 17pounder is the best with the 88mm of the Tiger second. Then the Panzer, T34/76, M8, and LVT4 follow up. The gun ofn the T34/85 would be up there with the Tiger and Firefly, but we'll never know until HT and Skuzzy and the rest of the crew program it in. As we all know, nothing was 100% correct the first time it was put into the game.

[Karnak]

As we all know, nothing was 100% correct the first time it was put into the game.

I'd disagree with that statement actually.

And we can make fairly good guesses based on available penetration tables.  Given those tables it is probable that the T-34/85's gun will be serviceable, but inferior to the 75mm/L42 on the Panzer IV H.


The Panther would per a perk tank, possibly with a higher price than the Tiger I.

[Blooz]

Agreed. The Russian 85mm is third most powerful of the guns we have available now.

The Russians won't have anything approaching the power of the 17Lb gun until you get the Russian 100mm gun.