Ta 152H falling out of the sky

[Lusche]

Ok, I'm quite used to fly the TA152, and I'm also quite used to the fact that thing can easily get into a nasty stall.

But this departure from controlled flight is the most amazing I ever had. I'm rarely surprised by anything in AH2 anymore, but this time I saw the ground coming closer with open mouth and staring baffled at my screen.

http://www.mediafire.com/?hkbaa7aeaas  (30 seconds clip, 360kb only)

[moot]

Can you describe it?  I don't have AH installed anymore.  Did the departure have a quick accelerating roll to it that was far stronger than control authority, before settling into some odd angle?

[Lusche]

Hard to describe. I was indeed rolling with a Typhoon, but the angle wasn't od at all, not the usual "nose up -ooops- there we go". I was gentle on controls, nosed down, 250mph when I suddenly lost control.



The very moment I lose control: (nose down, 257mph to be exact)



One second later. You can already see that my plane started to turn around its yaw axis.



Not easy to see anything on the pics, but quite bizarre when one sees the film

[SectorNine50]

It is very weird, almost acts like you lost your tail structure!

Prop wash isn't simulated in AH2 right?

[balance1]

.......wow.......

[moot]

Yeah.. sounds familiar.  I think I have about 3-4 films of that one.. What can you do?

[Lusche]

Yeah.. sounds familiar.  I think I have about 3-4 films of that one.. What can you do?

Well.. I was more hoping for someone convincingly open my eyes about what exactly I did wrong and why it's completely in line with the physics of flight

[moot]

Hmm...

[BadDuck]

Hello – I seldom, ... alright, virtually never post here,  b u t ………...

…….. Since I’ve been trying to understand a similar incident,  this post has provided an opportunity to test a theory, so thank you.

Both planes blissfully chug along without a care in the world, both appallingly both plummet.

Why? . . . I don’t know this is just an analysis.

The original films:
1.   TA152 Stall: http://www.mediafire.com/?hkbaa7aeaas
2.   Spit V  Stall: http://71.18.103.129/Up_Over_Down_Out.ahf

A possible common factor
** Watch the beacon in these outtakes **  Just before the stall they flash yellow.
1.   TA152: http://71.18.103.129/downloads/TheStall152.ahf
2.   Spit V : http://71.18.103.129/downloads/TheStallSpitV.ahf

The yellow does not usually appear in the longer films, unless you’re lucky, I only saw it once.

Is this the answer or an unlucky coincidence?

[evenhaim]

moot isnt that the same stall that happend to me when we were dueling a while back? it feels like this: You feel a sudden but subtle rudder movement that you did not input, then the plane begins to cartwheel uncontralably on its axis... Its that wierd rudder stall thing...

[bj229r]

I'm at noob level in those things, but they quite often feel like their arse end is too heavy...the way most planes feel when your tail section is shot away

[Lusche]

I'm at noob level in those things, but they quite often feel like their arse end is too heavy...the way most planes feel when your tail section is shot away

Yup, and that's what's usually getting you into a stall if you are not pretty careful. In such a situation I'm not really caught by surprise for more then a second before realizing I just pushed her over the edge. But this time I think was't even close to riding any edge at all...

[moot]

Freez, yep.. I just haven't figured out exactly what it is that starts it.
Badduck, the beacon in films will always turn on, try any other film.

Grats on the promotion Lusche.

[stephen]

The TA has alot of mass in those wings, so throwing in alot of rudder imputs makes it squirely, emagine it is like a flying wing with just a nub of a tail, and coincidentaly, fly it as such.

Sorry bout the spelling, geeeez

[*PAPA*]

Yep...looks like you lost your horizontal air control. It was as if the elevators created a vacuum and your dorsal fin had nothing to "bite" and caused your tail to rotate.