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Offline Yeager

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Re: Death row inmate claims he's too fat to be executed
« Reply #45 on: August 06, 2008, 01:51:41 PM »
I'm sure they would.  I could care less what they think.
you want those murderers alive, you should care about it lest one escape from the cage and murder you or someone you love.
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Re: Death row inmate claims he's too fat to be executed
« Reply #46 on: August 06, 2008, 02:11:16 PM »
Are you sure the state should lower itself to the level of these animals by treating them as such?
Shouldn't the state be setting an example to society in general?
Don't you think keeping these guys in cages, making them work like animals for public service is better punishment then a swift needle to quickly get it over and done with?
I personally say make the buggers work until they die.

People need to fear the punishments they receive for commiting crime.  No one fears a life in prison for murdering a person.


I've always felt that "Cruel and Unusual Punishment" was a relative statement, not an absolute.  It would be cruel and unusual to execute a shop lifter using fire ants.  However, it would not be cruel or unusual to hang a murderer.
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Re: Death row inmate claims he's too fat to be executed
« Reply #47 on: August 06, 2008, 04:10:22 PM »
People need to fear the punishments they receive for commiting crime.  No one fears a life in prison for murdering a person.


I've always felt that "Cruel and Unusual Punishment" was a relative statement, not an absolute.  It would be cruel and unusual to execute a shop lifter using fire ants.  However, it would not be cruel or unusual to hang a murderer.

Studies show that they don't really fear the death penalty either.  Especially if they are white middleclass types.

Anyways, you continue to believe we need the death penalty.  I'll continue to believe that we in fact don't.

No reason to start trying to scare me into your thinking, I'm too level headed for that Yeager.
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Re: Death row inmate claims he's too fat to be executed
« Reply #48 on: August 06, 2008, 04:33:55 PM »
Anyways, you continue to believe we need the death penalty.  I'll continue to believe that we in fact don't.

No reason to start trying to scare me into your thinking, I'm too level headed for that Yeager.

and your level headedness doesnt care that you tax dollars are going to keep these guys alive?

In my mind, you level headedness is suppoerting what they did by wanting to keep them alive and supporting what they did even though the words that may come outta your mouth says you dont support what they did.

I just dont get why folks like yourself wish for these folks to live when they are a burden on our pocket books and should be dead. Hell I'd love to be able to have my tax office take what I would pay and send the bill for that part to you and let you pay it since you want them to stay alive and drain my pocket book when I dont want them alive. If you aint worried that you are paying to keep them alive then you also have enough money to pay in lieu of those of us who dont.

Your welcome to think and believe what you want, but I think I'll go puke now. You make me sick.

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Re: Death row inmate claims he's too fat to be executed
« Reply #49 on: August 06, 2008, 04:37:47 PM »
No reason to start trying to scare me into your thinking, I'm too level headed for that Yeager.
no disrespect but pure ignorance fits your profile.  My community suffered the loss of a young couple a few months back to a murderer who had served his sentence for axing his mother to death and was released from prison despite objections from prison staff.  He is now back in Prison.  He should be executed today to save lives but he wont be. 

Two young people just starting life together were brutally murdered for no good reason.  Yeah...keep that murderer alive.   Thats the ticket!

ls184, you dont put these viscious animals to death to scare others from following their destructive path.  you put them to death because as long as they breath air they are a threat to decent law abiding people anywhere and everywhere, not to mention that staff that has to work in their midst to keep them caged up.
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Re: Death row inmate claims he's too fat to be executed
« Reply #50 on: August 06, 2008, 06:12:09 PM »
I really hate getting into this same argument over and over but here we go.

and your level headedness doesnt care that you tax dollars are going to keep these guys alive?

In my mind, you level headedness is suppoerting what they did by wanting to keep them alive and supporting what they did even though the words that may come outta your mouth says you dont support what they did.

I just dont get why folks like yourself wish for these folks to live when they are a burden on our pocket books and should be dead. Hell I'd love to be able to have my tax office take what I would pay and send the bill for that part to you and let you pay it since you want them to stay alive and drain my pocket book when I dont want them alive. If you aint worried that you are paying to keep them alive then you also have enough money to pay in lieu of those of us who dont.

Your welcome to think  and believe what you want, but I think I'll go puke now. You make me sick.

Number 1: I do NOT support criminals but there you go on a rant telling me I do.  Not believing in the death penalty has nothing to do with supporting criminals.  The death penalty doesn't keep people from killing others.  If they are going to kill someone they aren't going to stop to sit for a minute and think about the possible penalties.

Number 2: Do you actually know how the death penalty works?  After all the appeals and extra court time due to it being what it is, a person put to death costs much more than having them rot in a cell for 75 years.  So get your facts straight about your tax dollars first.

Number 3: Even though you end your argument in a personal attack I'm not going to sink to your level.  You know why?  Because that wouldn't make me any better than you.  Bringing us to ->

Number 4: I think using the death penalty doesn't make us any better than the killers to begin with.

Number 5: I'm not a religious man by any means any more, but here is a good one from the top 10: THOU SHALL NOT KILL.

no disrespect but pure ignorance fits your profile.  My community suffered the loss of a young couple a few months back to a murderer who had served his sentence for axing his mother to death and was released from prison despite objections from prison staff.  He is now back in Prison.  He should be executed today to save lives but he wont be.

Two young people just starting life together were brutally murdered for no good reason.  Yeah...keep that murderer alive.   Thats the ticket!

ls184, you dont put these viscious animals to death to scare others from following their destructive path.  you put them to death because as long as they breath air they are a threat to decent law abiding people anywhere and everywhere, not to mention that staff that has to work in their midst to keep them caged up.

I'm very sorry to hear about the couple, that is sad.

Please don't start your post with "no disrespect" if you are only intending to attempt to insult my intelligence immediately after.  I've given my reasons to oppose the death penalty.  Here I'll sum up.

Cost.  The fact that human systems are inherently flawed and prejudiced to some degree and innocent lives being lost too it isn't worth the risk.  And lastly I believe it does not make us any better than killers ourselves.  There.  I probably won't need to post anymore to this thread as it will go up in flame wars like all the ones before.  No one wants to calmly discuss the issue.
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Re: Death row inmate claims he's too fat to be executed
« Reply #51 on: August 06, 2008, 08:18:43 PM »
I do NOT support criminals. 
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I do not believe you intentionally support criminals but your position protects them, so by proxy you support them.  sorry

The death penalty doesn't keep people from killing others. 
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No murderer ever put to death ever killed again

Do you actually know how the death penalty works?  After all the appeals and extra court time due to it being what it is, a person put to death costs much more than having them rot in a cell for 75 years.  So get your facts straight about your tax dollars first.
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Agreed, we need a fast track for executing these vermin

Even though you end your argument in a personal attack I'm not going to sink to your level.  You know why?  Because that wouldn't make me any better than you.
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how thoughtful

I think using the death penalty doesn't make us any better than the killers to begin with.
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You have an inherent right to defend yourself.  The state has an inherent responsibility to protect those of us who play by the rules from those of us who do not.

I'm not a religious man by any means any more, but here is a good one from the top 10: THOU SHALL NOT KILL.
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Do you think that applied to people trying to murder you?  You have a right to defend yourself with lethal force when necessary.

I'm very sorry to hear about the couple, that is sad.
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absolutely stunningly pathetically violently tragic is more like it but your feelings are well taken.

Please don't start your post with "no disrespect" if you are only intending to attempt to insult my intelligence immediately after. 
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I really meant it.  No disrespect intended.

Cost.  The fact that human systems are inherently flawed and prejudiced to some degree and innocent lives being lost too it isn't worth the risk. 
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I believe that argument is flawed.  Example: why risk putting an innocent person in jail for life, lets not put anyone in prison for life because we risk wrongly incarcerating an innocent person........cant have it both ways, or at least we shouldnt.

And lastly I believe it does not make us any better than killers ourselves. 
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That is a fine and admirable sentiment but we have a duty to protect ourselves from those murderous misfits who as long as they draw breath are a threat to all living.

Really.
« Last Edit: August 06, 2008, 08:20:58 PM by Yeager »
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Re: Death row inmate claims he's too fat to be executed
« Reply #52 on: August 06, 2008, 09:04:41 PM »
I don't think the death penalty prevents crimes from occuring and may actually increase brutality and the amount of victims. If I had raped and killed two and if it would be highly likely that I would be executed, then I would do my best to make myself comfortable while on the loose - rape and kill more people, that is. I would be already receiving the highest punishment of all, so why should I care? Let's have more "fun".

Yet I would like to see the brutal murderers executed. I guess that's the nature, self preservation, striving to get rid of the individuals hangerous to the community.

All this circus for thinking the well being of a murderer, a person who disregarded the rights of his victims, is nothing short of injustice. I do not care if a murderer suffers - why should I, if the murderer didn't think of the suffering of a victim. Violate the rights of an another and you deserve to lose yours. My only concern:: do they go berserk if they know they are highly likely going to be executed?


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Re: Death row inmate claims he's too fat to be executed
« Reply #53 on: August 06, 2008, 09:28:13 PM »
I don't think the death penalty prevents crimes from occuring and may actually increase brutality and the amount of victims. If I had raped and killed two and if it would be highly likely that I would be executed, then I would do my best to make myself comfortable while on the loose - rape and kill more people, that is. I would be already receiving the highest punishment of all, so why should I care? Let's have more "fun".

Yet I would like to see the brutal murderers executed. I guess that's the nature, self preservation, striving to get rid of the individuals hangerous to the community.

All this circus for thinking the well being of a murderer, a person who disregarded the rights of his victims, is nothing short of injustice. I do not care if a murderer suffers - why should I, if the murderer didn't think of the suffering of a victim. Violate the rights of an another and you deserve to lose yours. My only concern:: do they go berserk if they know they are highly likely going to be executed?

The problem with quantifying whether or not someone is a "Brutal Murderer" is that there would be constant arguments over where the line is.

Either you execute ALL murderers, or you don't.
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Re: Death row inmate claims he's too fat to be executed
« Reply #54 on: August 06, 2008, 10:13:29 PM »
The problem with quantifying whether or not someone is a "Brutal Murderer" is that there would be constant arguments over where the line is.

Either you execute ALL murderers, or you don't.
Don't you think there is a difference between a person who discovers their spouse in bed with another person and goes ballistic versus a insane monster sitting next to some innocent person on a bus who decides to stab them to death while they sleep, cuts their head off and eats various parts of their body?

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Someone who has had too much to drink at a bar, gets into a fight and ends up causing that other persons death....(that too is murder) versus someone who lures children into a van, rapes them, strangles them and then dumps their bodies in a road side ditch.

Yes, their is a difference between these.  One example is of a sane person getting into a tragic situation and acting impulsively and the other a animal disguised as a human being preying on people and doing heinous things.  Those heinous animals are the ones that need to be immediately exterminated.  The others, well..........punish them harshly, but I don't believe we need go after them with the same intensity as the monstrous animals parading amongst us.  Most rational people I believe, would agree with me.  Some rational people will not.

Fishu, its those people that will kill again and again, over and over that need to be exterminated quickly, for everyones safety.  That freak on the greyhound bus up in Canada is a perfect example...unfortunately the Canadians will keep that freak alive and most likely let him out again into their society sometime in the future.
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Re: Death row inmate claims he's too fat to be executed
« Reply #55 on: August 06, 2008, 11:14:22 PM »
Only problem I see with your post Yeager is that it may be an insult to the animals to compare them to these scumbags.

As for the fat prisoner. If he is guilty without any doubt put him to death whichever way he feels the most terror. He needs to feel like his victims did.

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Re: Death row inmate claims he's too fat to be executed
« Reply #56 on: August 06, 2008, 11:27:36 PM »
I say strap them to a nuke then hit the button, OR throw them out of a plane with out a chute.

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Re: Death row inmate claims he's too fat to be executed
« Reply #57 on: August 07, 2008, 02:51:30 AM »
put the poison in a triple cheeseburger.

win/win.

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Re: Death row inmate claims he's too fat to be executed
« Reply #58 on: August 07, 2008, 03:24:34 AM »
I thought triple cheeseburgers already were poisoned?
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Re: Death row inmate claims he's too fat to be executed
« Reply #59 on: August 07, 2008, 05:34:10 AM »
I thought triple cheeseburgers already were poisoned?

SD, the problem is he can`t score any vegamite in the joint to keep him healthy.  :lol
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