our "justice" system at work

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,397361,00.html

Shoots her husband in the back, with a shotgun, while he's asleep in bed, then takes their three daughters and runs to Georgia. She does less than two years, and now gets her daughters back. What a freaking joke.

[FrodeMk3]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,397361,00.html

Shoots her husband in the back, with a shotgun, while he's asleep in bed, then takes their three daughters and runs to Georgia. She does less than two years, and now gets her daughters back. What a freaking joke.

Argh. This one's kinda touchy, Virgil. The Fox news link you have given, states that she finally broke down and killed him after years of physical and mental abuse. Some might say that finally getting her children back was justice.

[mg1942]

i remember that story 1 year ago

[dkff49]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,397361,00.html

Shoots her husband in the back, with a shotgun, while he's asleep in bed, then takes their three daughters and runs to Georgia. She does less than two years, and now gets her daughters back. What a freaking joke.

If the accusations of abuse are true then the real joke is the failure of our justice system is that this woman had to feel as though shooting him in the back is the only way out.

Death to all the wife beaters. Only one type of man lower than a wife beater and that is any man who harms a child.

[AKIron]

If the accusations of abuse are true then the real joke is the failure of our justice system is that this woman had to feel as though shooting him in the back is the only way out.

Death to all the wife beaters. Only one type of man lower than a wife beater and that is any man who harms a child.

Agreed, a man who abuses his trust is no man at all.

[redman555]

truthfully, idc if u r a retard... u kill somone... u should go 2 jail for murder.. inless self defence


-BigBOBCH

[Rollins]

truthfully, idc if u r a retard... u kill somone... u should go 2 jail for murder.. inless self defence


-BigBOBCH

Masterfully written.

What they are considering here is the possibility that the woman had endured the abuse to the point where she felt that the only defense she had was to eliminate him.
That said, I agree that the system failed long before his death.  Had it worked properly you would have a divorced couple and some kids.  Not a convict mother and a dead father.

[dkff49]

truthfully, idc if u r a retard... u kill somone... u should go 2 jail for murder.. inless self defence


-BigBOBCH

sounds like that may have been the case here.

depending on situation here she may not have been physically capable of fending him off enough to get to a weapon, so she waited until he was asleep.

I still think if he was a wife beater then I don't care if it was a shotgun or a frying pan there is one less woman beater in this world and now those children will grow up knowing that their mother stood up for herself when no one else would. Not many woman do in those types of relationships, mostly out of fear. I see it all the time in my line of work. Like I said only one thing makes me madder.

[CAP1]

truthfully, idc if u r a retard... u kill somone... u should go 2 jail for murder.. inless self defence


-BigBOBCH

any chance of re-typing this in english please?

[Chalenge]

any chance of re-typing this in english please?

Truthfully, (implying he has lied previously but this time should be taken seriously) without consideration for your mental prowess (compassion takes a back seat here) I insist you be permanently jailed and not killed (compassion returns) for not following my rules the way I interpret them (implied Godlike status) in any situation what so ever except in the case where you can prove you were in total fear for your life and could not retreat (loophole).

I think thats a triple negative but if he doesnt care why should we?

[stephen]

Murder is murder, if you are getting your butt kicked at home...leave, its no excuse for killing somone.
Bought like Lorena Bobbit, if you do the crime, man or woman, you should be executed as the criminal scum that you are.
Its ok to murder if you get slapped around and have to dress up  pretty for your husband?

[Vulcan]

If the accusations of abuse are true then the real joke is the failure of our justice system is that this woman had to feel as though shooting him in the back is the only way out.

Death to all the wife beaters. Only one type of man lower than a wife beater and that is any man who harms a child.

Ahh huh, seems like women have been given the right to murder imho:

She said that she just wanted to talk to her husband, Matthew, when she went into their bedroom that day in March 2006, but that she was too terrified. “He just could be so mean,” she said.
Mary Winkler

But, she told Freeland, her husband did “nothing” for which he deserved to die.

Her depiction of her marriage contrasts radically with the description by the prosecution, whose witnesses described Matthew Winkler as a good father and husband. The couple’s 9-year-old daughter, Patricia, testified that she had a good father and that she never saw him mistreat her mother.
....

Mary Winkler said that despite being abused, she still loved her husband.

“I was ashamed,” she said, explaining why she told no one of the abuse. “I didn’t want anybody to know about Matthew.”

Mary Winkler testified her husband punched her in the face, kicked her at times and refused to grant her a divorce. Shortly after they were married, “he just got me down and told me that I was his wife and we were family now, and he just screamed and hollered,” she testified.

Said defense attorney Steve Farese: “If you look up spousal abuse in the dictionary, you’re going to see Mary Winkler’s picture looking back at you.”

But the prosecution said in closing arguments that there was no medical evidence of abuse.

“He was a good daddy who didn’t abuse anybody,” Freeland said. “He didn’t abuse his little girl. He didn’t abuse Mary.”

So no medical evidence, presumably no complaints of abuse laid with the police either.

So "whoops officer the gun went off, didn't mean to kill, oh and by the way I never told anyone but he abused me too" = murder for free.

oh and too top it off:

Matthew Winkler was shot in the back as he lay in bed. He rolled from the bed onto the floor, and, still alive, he asked his wife, "Why?" to which she responded, "I'm sorry." When she left the home, Matthew Winkler was still alive in the bedroom, and the phone had been disconnected from its socket

[Elfie]

So "whoops officer the gun went off, didn't mean to kill, oh and by the way I never told anyone but he abused me too"

Many women never tell anyone because they are to ashamed. They somehow blame themselves for the abuse. Years ago I dated 2 different women (not at the same time) who had been abused by former husbands. Both had difficulties dealing with the abuse because they felt they had brought it on themselves. If she was in fact physically abused by her husband she may very well have been to afraid/ashamed (probably both) to admit it while he still lived.

[dkff49]

Murder is murder, if you are getting your butt kicked at home...leave, its no excuse for killing somone.
Bought like Lorena Bobbit, if you do the crime, man or woman, you should be executed as the criminal scum that you are.
Its ok to murder if you get slapped around and have to dress up  pretty for your husband?

stephen I have a quick question here.

Ever been abused or had to help someone that you care about that was physically and/or mentally abused?

I have, my current wife of almost 12 years still has issues that come from her less than one year with her husband and she was stronger than any of the many other women that I have seen. My mother has also been abused by herr ex-husband. I have witnessed much abuse as a child from my step father throwing a hot pot of coffee at my mother to hunting us down and trying to run us off the road. That fear of life usually is a key factor in why they don't leave. Then there is also the shame factor that Elfie mentioned, however though I think the fear is a bigger part of the problem.

It is very easy to judge someone that has been through a situation that you yourself have never even witnessed. I did read in that article that she did have to do time in a mental health facility which leads me to believe that at least some of the abuse is true.

Ahh huh, seems like women have been given the right to murder imho:

So no medical evidence, presumably no complaints of abuse laid with the police either.

So "whoops officer the gun went off, didn't mean to kill, oh and by the way I never told anyone but he abused me too" = murder for free.

oh and too top it off:

My answer to this is no I don't think that women have the right to murder, not any more than a man does. There statistics that show that men can and do get into abusive relationships. Men are usually less likely to talk about it than women are and women are not very likely to talk about their abusive. I am just saying that I can understand how in an abusive relationship it is entirely possible to feel as though the only way out is take them out while they are sleeping and for some it is just about the only way out other than to let them do you in.

[DREDIOCK]

Agreed, a man who abuses his trust is no man at all.

99.9999999999999999999% of the time I would agree with that.

But there are exeptions to every rule.

One of my sister in laws is a prime example.

In this case though. the guy had it comming to them