WTG Texas!!

[bcadoo]

The Jesus I was taught to believe in as a child never once said "kill em all".  People telling me things like what you are saying really made me take a good long look at what I believe.

Based on the supposition that Christ/God/The Holy Spirit are all the same being:

Numbers 25:4
And the Lord said to Moses, Take all the leaders or chiefs of the people, and hang them before the Lord in the sun [after killing them], that the fierce anger of the Lord may turn away from Israel.


Numbers 31:17   
Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who is not a virgin.

And then there were times he just did the killin' himself:

Leviticus 10:2
And there came forth fire from before the Lord and killed them, and they died before the Lord.

[2bighorn]

Yeah, but those were killings by the boss himself or by his direct orders. Don't think he authorized anything else 

[Elfie]

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Thou shall not kill.


I've lost a lot of faith in organized religion but that is one thing I will always agree on.  The death penalty makes us no better then the criminals.  It doesn't bring closure, it isn't 100% fool proof that we won't kill an innocent person, and the practice sickens me.

Interesting that you would quote one of the 10 Commandments from the Bible yet ignore the Bible when it comes to dealing with criminals who were very often stoned to death.

[2bighorn]

You would lose the bet:

Numbers 35:30
Whoever kills any person [intentionally], the murderer shall be put to death on the testimony of witnesses; but no one shall be put to death on the testimony of one witness.

Maybe he wouldn't

Genesis 9:6 "Whoever sheds man's blood, By man his blood shall be shed, For in the image of God He made man.

[Shuffler]

The guy got what was coming to him.... it took way too long. Mexico and the World court can take a hike.

[Elfie]

Maybe he wouldn't

Genesis 9:6 "Whoever sheds man's blood, By man his blood shall be shed, For in the image of God He made man.

Read that verse again......it actually supports the ones from Numbers.

[2bighorn]

Read that verse again......it actually supports the ones from Numbers.

Yeah that's what I meant. Whoever means anybody, even executioners.

Anything written in bible can be interpreted different ways. It has also been a while since it was last updated. Christians could make good use of version II, adopted to today's standards. Disambiguate a lil bit and so... 

[Elfie]

Yeah that's what I meant. Whoever means anybody, even executioners.

Anything written in bible can be interpreted different ways. It has also been a while since it was last updated. Christians could make good use of version II, adopted to today's standards. Disambiguate a lil bit and so... 

That verse you quoted isn't talking about executioners, it's talking about murders. (It's also not talking about killing during battle.) If you kill someone, expect your blood to be shed. That's essentially what that verse is saying.

[2bighorn]

It's also not talking about killing during battle.

OK, maybe that's why Jesus fixed it with the sword?

Matthew 26:52 Then Jesus said to him, "Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword"

I'm not really into bible (and religion) as such, but what I understood when read the bible is that god made man by his own image and to kill the man would equal to disfiguring god's image.

Kinda like when I read second amendment. Says "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed". Means to me every state can have militia and that I can own guns. Some smarties always find deeper and different meaning.

Anyways, how's with those not religious or members of other religions or people with different moral values, does bible still applies? Or can they disagree with it as long as they don't break the law?

[DrDea]

 In this case? Rape,kick stomp and then strangle the 2 teenage girls just walking home?Yea.10 days time to think about that needle is more than enough time to let them suck on the state funds.Now I know genetic evidence has come along to prove someone not guilty of a crime but in this case the offenders involved should have ALL gotten the death penalty.As Dirty Harry would say,"No trial,no papers to file." Thats my kinda justice right there.They shoulda "resisted" being arrested and saved us all some trouble.

[DrDea]

OK, maybe that's why Jesus fixed it with the sword?

Matthew 26:52 Then Jesus said to him, "Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword"

 Thats why God over rode Jesus much with the "Thou shalt not kill" with the subtitle 'unless a bunch of scumbags beat 2 teenage girls to death after raping them"
 Dennis Leary said it best.Sometimes ya gotta thin the herd.

[Mr No Name]

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Thou shall not kill.


I've lost a lot of faith in organized religion but that is one thing I will always agree on.  The death penalty makes us no better then the criminals.  It doesn't bring closure, it isn't 100% fool proof that we won't kill an innocent person, and the practice sickens me.

Statements like this are why pot is, and should remain, illegal.

[john9001]

ted bundy will never rape and kill any more young women, he made the mistake of doing it in Florida. In florida, we kill people who do things that.

[Shuffler]

I once asked who would come forth and support the criminal if he got a life sentence instead of the death penalty. You could hear the crickets chirping.

I once asked some folks who were trying to get a known criminal released, how many wanted him to move into their NEIGHBORHOOD.... same result.

Some folks want to forgive everyone but want none of the forgiven in their neck of the woods.

[lasersailor184]

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