"Black 4" (ME262) 2./JG7

[Zeagle21]

Here is the new AH skin project I am working on.

It's "Black 4", an ME262A-1a of 2./JG7.





If anyone has some better photos of this bird, I'd appreciate it.

[evenhaim]

Here is the new AH skin project I am working on.

It's "Black 4", an ME262A-1a of 2./JG7.

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If anyone has some better photos of this bird, I'd appreciate it.

awsome bird to do, but isnt the bottom art of a 2a?

[Motherland]

awsome bird to do, but isnt the bottom art of a 2a?

It's got 4 cannons, so no. But the pylons are confusing me...

[evenhaim]

It's got 4 cannons, so no. But the pylons are confusing me...

yep...

[Krusty]

I believe the -2a removed the cannons to save weight, but still had the mounts, the ports, and the chutes. It's not like they gunport and ejection chute would be covered, they just pulled the gun out and removed the ammo canisters.

Did we not have this skin in AH1 once? Some time ago, perhaps? I seem to recall the white nose but can't remember the last time I ever flew with it.

[Krusty]

Couple different interpretations of it.

I wonder if somebody skinned this but it wasn't submitted because I seem to recall the metal intakes vs painted intakes in some discussion on these boards.

http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/f/455/2/3/6

http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/f/455/2/3/6_b1

http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/f/455/2/3/6_b2

Unit: JG 7
Serial: 4
One of the many Me.262 left at Prague-Ruzyne by JG 7. The machine was RLM76 light-blue overall, with RLM82 and RLM83 Green on the wing upper surfaces and fuselage spine. The camouflage of the fuselage was augmented by irregular splotches of both greens.

Artist: unknown
Source: Fighters of WWII

(this just pulled quickly from wp.scn.ru)

[Motherland]

I believe the -2a removed the cannons to save weight, but still had the mounts, the ports, and the chutes. It's not like they gunport and ejection chute would be covered, they just pulled the gun out and removed the ammo canisters.

The panel line drawing I have of the Me.262A-2a seems to support this.

[Zeagle21]

The lower artwork is from some model airplane box so I wouldn't take that as gospel. Looks like the artist got a bit carried away.

I assure you this bird is an A-1a.

I wonder if somebody skinned this but it wasn't submitted because I seem to recall the metal intakes vs painted intakes in some discussion on these boards.

Scratching my head and wondering what the heck Krusty is talking about..and why would it matter ...ever....oh well, pass me another Sam Adams and lets get to painting this jet

[whiteman]

I've had 3 crown on the rocks and was able to figure it out, look at the images. on the second link the intake has a metal finish.,other two show painted intake. I'm not sure how big a pain htc is but it's something they might reject it over.

[Motherland]

I have NEVER seen a 262 with a bare metal intake. Then again I've never seen one with a solid white nose...
I don't think it's that big a deal anyway, there are skins with bigger historical flaws in them than a single panel being colored incorrectly.

[Krusty]

Motherland, that's nothing. There's a decal sheet for one with an entire wing underside bare metal!

At the end of the war perhaps those replacement parts didn't get painted fast enough. There are 190Ds with bare metal wing undersides. Not sure if they ran out of the specified paint or if they left it off for weight savings (which doesn't make sense since the rest is painted).

One of our 190D skins is made like this, though I can't recall which.


Not unheard of, but definitely piques the interest, eh?

[Zeagle21]

Be careful what documentation you use. If you want an historically correct model, shy away from generic line drawings (just technical looking artists impressions), model box art (artwork above as an example), and internet profile images (see Krusty's links above)

Try to get some real research done and maybe some technical drawings from the company. Photos from the period are the best. Read more than just ONE book. I am sure that as you research, you will find all kinds of contradictions as to what model carried what, especially in the late war.

I am sure that HTC has rejected schemes for various reasons. And I am sure that these reasons are valid.

[33Vortex]

There are 190Ds with bare metal wing undersides. Not sure if they ran out of the specified paint or if they left it off for weight savings (which doesn't make sense since the rest is painted).

Quite a few late-war a/c suffered all kinds of miscoloration or bare-metal parts because of paint shortages in the field and new parts ending up on the wrong a/c with the wrong paint because of difficulties in the manufacturing and delivery chain of new parts. Also when a/c were written off as unserviceable they were used for spare parts.  190D-13 Gelb 10 of Franz Götz, Kommodore of JG26, is one of the more famous such a/c with a bare-metal underside because of paint shortage.

[AWwrgwy]

There is a ScaleMaster decal sheet and profile of this "white" nosed 262.  I've also seen a photo of it somewhere.  I'll start looking and fire up the scanner.

wrngway

ps.

This particular 262 has been discussed here before.  I believe someone was trying to skin it in the past.

[uberslet]

It's got 4 cannons, so no. But the pylons are confusing me...

there wer different variants of Me 262's with pods that could hold ordanace under the belly (not the wings) and that is probably what you are looking at thats confusing you Mother.