South Osetia under attack

[BiPoLaR]

I say let em fight it out. Get it out of their systems.
They'll hug and kiss later 

[Nilsen]

Looks like Russia now has pushed the georgian army out of SO. Wtg on a nice victory in a war that should never have started in the first place. The president of Georgia sounds like a mental case.

[ramzey]

What I wonder is this; how bad is this gonna get for Georgia (a U.S. ally) before we drop diplomacy and try to go to their aid militarily?

lol, LOL

US will do nothing for them except couple speeches  for press, just to look good

[FrodeMk3]

Just saw this:

BAGHDAD (AFP) - Georgia's 2,000 strong contingent in Iraq began to return home on Sunday to redeploy in the conflict in its breakaway province of South Ossetia, a US military spokesman said.

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"Flights have in fact begun today and Georgian forces are redeploying," US military press spokesman Major John Hall told AFP.

"We are supporting the Georgian military units that are in Iraq in their redeployment to Georgia so that they can support requirements there during the current security situation."

The departure of the soldiers from Georgia -- the third largest contributor to coalition forces in Iraq after the United States and Britain -- will mean some adjustments for the US military.

"We had already been shuffling forces around in Wassit province before the recent events, so despite the loss of the Georgian units, although unexpected, we can and are accommodating the changes," said Hall.

Russia and Georgia were locked Sunday in an escalating battle over South Ossetia which may have already claimed over 2,000 lives amid fears it is spreading to other parts of the volatile Caucasus region.

In and around a pro-Moscow region in the west of the country, Abkhazia, the separatist government there had declared a state of war in areas of the province populated by Georgians.


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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080810/wl_mideast_afp/georgiarussiaunrestiraqmilitary_080810172807;_ylt=AmAVvqa6f.peIDqe4p9prGBbbBAF

However, It doesn't say how they are going home. Civilian flights? Their own transport? U.S.A.F.?

[Hangtime]

Been following this on the shortwave, made a few contacts on 80M out of the Dx window in the area.

The Russian Propaganda Machine has been running overtime, especially in Europe. The Georgians are getting the very short end of the stick... and it looks like the Ukraine is going to get in this too. Seems the Georgians are not exactly well liked by their neighbors...

...wonder why.

As for the US involvement aspect; depends entirely on how far the Russians push. Last night I heard from a station down there that the Russian Black Sea Fleet has blockaded the Georgian ports; airstrikes are going in routinely... Georgia's air defense capability is wiped out. They have a decent ground force... or had; they're losing most of it and it's logistical capability to Russian Air.

It ain't looking good for Georgia.

[FrodeMk3]

I'll add to this really quick, It looks' like the Russians might have sunk a Georgian missile boat.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080810/ap_on_re_eu/georgia_south_ossetia

It looks' on the outside like the Georgians' are trying to pull out, and re-instate the cease-fire, but the Russians' won't let 'em.

[babek-]

Mr. Saakaschwili of Georgia wanted to conquer South Ossetia with a blitzkrieg invasion. One day before the Olympic games he started his idiotic attack and his forces killed hundreds of Russians.

What the hell he expected ? That the Russians would accept that a mad man orders to kill Russians and do nothing ??

The reaction of Russia is absolutely logical. The Russians have to protect the Russian people in S-Osetia.

Every nation in the same situation would have to do the same.

This Saakaschwili has to be put in front of a war-crime-tribunal for all the dead on both sides.

[Nilsen]

The Russian Propaganda Machine has been running overtime, especially in Europe.

explain please

[Elfie]

Looks like Russia now has pushed the georgian army out of SO. Wtg on a nice victory in a war that should never have started in the first place. The president of Georgia sounds like a mental case.

Please tell me Nilsen, what business the Russian army has pushing the Georgians out of their own territory? South Ossetia and the other rebel province are just that, rebels. No one in the international community has recognized either province as a legitimate country. The Russians should have never jumped into SO in the first place.

[Elfie]

The reaction of Russia is absolutely logical. The Russians have to protect the Russian people in S-Osetia.

Except it's not Russian territory......it's Georgian territory. The Russians have violated the territory of Russia, stop listening to the Boroda Propaganda Machine.

[SPKmes]

The thing I find most disturbing from the news in NZ (our media hmmm) reports oh no the oil pipeline. this world needs to be destroyed and started over. We suck. 

[babek-]

Except it's not Russian territory......it's Georgian territory. The Russians have violated the territory of Russia, stop listening to the Boroda Propaganda Machine.

I dont have to listen to any propaganda machine. Just to listen to facts.

1. The vast majority of the people in S-Ossetia refuse to be part of Georgia. Instead they still have their russian passports and want to be autonomeous or part of Russia.

2. The georgian mad president ordered a massive bombardment of S-Ossetia and more than 1400 civilians were killed in the first day of his blitzkrieg attempt.

3. Because of this act of ordering a massacre of civilians he disqualified himself of being president of these people.

The S-Ossetians are protected by the russians and its very good that the russians did not react in a slow EU-debate but startet the liberation of S-Ossetia by kicking the invasion forces out.

I think the ossetians are much more glad that russian soldiers are patrolling in their streets and protecting them instead of georgian troops of "their" nation who killed and crippled thousands of innocent civilians by order of this mad president Saakaschwili .

[Nilsen]

Please tell me Nilsen, what business the Russian army has pushing the Georgians out of their own territory? South Ossetia and the other rebel province are just that, rebels. No one in the international community has recognized either province as a legitimate country. The Russians should have never jumped into SO in the first place.

It has been answered already in the thread. No need to repeat again.

[Elfie]

I dont have to listen to any propaganda machine. Just to listen to facts.

1. The vast majority of the people in S-Ossetia refuse to be part of Georgia. Instead they still have their russian passports and want to be autonomeous or part of Russia.

2. The georgian mad president ordered a massive bombardment of S-Ossetia and more than 1400 civilians were killed in the first day of his blitzkrieg attempt.

3. Because of this act of ordering a massacre of civilians he disqualified himself of being president of these people.

The S-Ossetians are protected by the russians and its very good that the russians did not react in a slow EU-debate but startet the liberation of S-Ossetia by kicking the invasion forces out.

I think the ossetians are much more glad that russian soldiers are patrolling in their streets and protecting them instead of georgian troops of "their" nation who killed and crippled thousands of innocent civilians by order of this mad president Saakaschwili .

The facts.....are under dispute as to who started what. Both sides claim the other side started it. Russia has been suspected of trying to instigate things for some time now. As far as the South Ossetians not wanting to be part of Georgia? Who cares? Let them move to Russia if they want to be Russian citizens. No one is helping the Turkish Kurds to be independent or any other minority group in many other countries to be independent. This is nothing more than a power play by Putin and the Russians.

[Dowding]

As for the US involvement aspect; depends entirely on how far the Russians push. Last night I heard from a station down there that the Russian Black Sea Fleet has blockaded the Georgian ports; airstrikes are going in routinely... Georgia's air defense capability is wiped out. They have a decent ground force... or had; they're losing most of it and it's logistical capability to Russian Air.

It ain't looking good for Georgia.

I completely agree. Georgia has reportedly pulled out of South Ossetia according to BBC, yet airstrikes continue. Russians aircraft have hit the main airport hours before French and Finnish peace delegations are due to arrive there.

If you ask me, this is fast becoming a Russian land grab and those congratulating the Russians would be advised to remember past history and 'anschluss'.

The Georgians will be lucky to come out of this with autonomy in tact, nevermind territorial integrity. Regardless of the apparent stupidity of the Georgian leadership, Russia should not be allowed to simply violate sovereignty - especially as there actions look anything but 'temporary'.

I don't trust the Russians as far as I can throw them.

...and more than 1400 civilians were killed in the first day of his blitzkrieg attempt.

This cannot be verified at this time. There are no independent observers in Ossetia. And no, Russians don't count as being independent. Neither do South Ossetians.