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Offline hazed-

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« on: May 24, 2001, 10:38:00 AM »
Im really po'd with AH lately but i really think its because the knits have been pinned in and any attacks are met with much larger numbers of defenders.Now i know how rooks felt all those times when they didnt have the numbers.It really sucks and i have decided this/next is my last month.Im hoping with the new radar stuff in 1.07 i can overlook recent frustrations with gangbanging etc.Im usually thick skinned with this sort of thing and play regardless but this last week ive logged off with that 'waste of time' feeling having had every attack beaten back or destroyed before it started.
 Ive almost stopped with the panzer as it seems it has LESS destructive power than the ostwind!,Im finally losing patience with the mausers after flying a p51b and killing 3 planes with relatively few pings that were a LOT easier to land hits with.(no im not asking for it to be perked)
I flew a lancaster and was so badly shot up it was untrue.It was smoking from every engine and took incredible amounts of hits from a b26 flown by whels <S> (even though you seemed to suggest you thought i was somehow cheating     ).Then next sortie i managed to take out the FHs and ammo in a ju88 and thought id stopped anyone upping but a tbm took off and climbed to me.Well i shot the shi* out of the tbm as it attacked with those pea shooters probably 100+ rounds at 600-400 yards. he fired a burst from 2 50cals and my wing came off     , it was too much for me and i logged in disgust.
I love LW stuff but i think if i flew allied stuff my flying would be a lot easier.Well im sorry but i dont want to fly allied stuff, and i feel its spoiling AH for me.
After having a few sorties using 50cals i would honestly rather have 4x50cals than 2x20mm and 2x13mm and surely this combination shouldnt be more effective?
Im ranting i know but this is what is spoiling AH for me.
It may not be AH's fault , maybe burnout? but hey im not alone in thinking this and i predict soon there will be less and less LW based squads and this seems a shame.Before all you allied pilots rip me to peices why dont you fly just LW for a week and see if you really think im exagerating? nothing but LW though ok? see if you think they have anything approaching an equal arsenal to allies.
I honestly cant put my finger on the problem but it just feels like LW guns are almost useless over 400 yards and in books ive read they are quoted effective to 400-800 metres!(depending on gun).Well they sure aint in here.
I know things are worse for japanese/italian/russian plane lovers and im sure they must be frustrated too and as i have said before i think its time to address their lack of planes first in all fairness.
I simply dont have the answers but from what ive seen on TV and read in books it seems strange that there is such a big differnce in gun performance.Whether this is accurate i dont know but as an LW flyer it gets real frustrating and im beginning to look elswhere lately for my online games (eg strategy games,halflife mods etc)

p.s I dont want this to appear as an attack at HTC because as the 1.07 list of corrections clearly show they really do try to address our concerns the best they can and i <S> them for their efforts.
Fellow pilots:Ignore me if you think this is whineing but im hoping you will look into this objectively and see what you think.


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« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2001, 11:27:00 AM »
hazed I'll talk a bit about guns ...
I'm not discusing about the GM fidelity, now I'll talk only about GAMEPLAY. This is an online game and all of us must deal with, for example, little warps. LW guns have very pronounced drop, so, we must use them, mainly, at very short distances, where the micro/little/medium/big warps are more noticeable. And the other factor is the ROF, very low for LW guns. If you mix internet connections with lo ROF the result is a Spit 200 yards in front of you, breaking but with your guns perfectly centered on the Spit path, a river of bullets and no hits at all.
Of course, the ROF of 50 compensates the internet handicap.

Actually, AFAIK, we have the 190 rollrate downgraded. Well, we can acept this because real roll rate + internet = instantaneous brutal changes (totally unpredictable 190 angle when rolling). But in exchange we dont have the ROF tunned up to compensate the same internet problems. Even worse, some of the most dangerous planes have their roll rates tunned up, making them even deadlier against the 190s.

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« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2001, 11:48:00 AM »
hazed
it's just AH burnout, take a break and watch the fun return.
As for LW planes vs allied, I don't fly much else than the 109f for the challenge and because I've always loved the 109. Don't care if I get my arse handed to me over and over and over again. The few victories I get from experienced pilots in other planes makes it all worthwhile and fun.
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« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2001, 12:54:00 PM »
I flew a lancaster and was so badly shot up it was untrue.It was smoking from every engine and took incredible amounts of hits from a b26 flown by whels <S> (even though you seemed to suggest you thought i was somehow cheating      )
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No i didnt think u were cheating and told u so in channel 1. i was just stating how i was amazed how much lea the lanc took to go down even after it had been hit from ACK.
i mean i hit u with all the turret ammo
and hit u 2 or 3 passes with forward guns
from the 26, i even think corba said he hit u with a 37mm from  a osty. that was 1 tought Lanc.

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« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2001, 01:05:00 PM »
damn \Hazed u are not alone !  i broked  the stick from geting mad , frustration is a smal word
make the  lw planes wery hard to fly Perk them PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ but ! give me a recent roll rate , beter guns and replace the paper wings in A8
i gladly pay 10 perkies for a Well tuned 190A8 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2001, 01:33:00 PM »
For me, this map blows huge chunks and is a demerit for HTC.  The whole ebb and flow of map wide combat feels like being in a box.

The terrain is so simple, bland, boring and utterly predictable, sorta like those cheezy 9.95 *games* where so many new dweeblish AHers seem to be coming from these days.

Hope this trend towards easy play is shortlived.

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« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2001, 01:41:00 PM »
What about the poor Japanese pilots, whose 20 mm cannon have worse ballistics and barely 2/3 the ROF of the Mauser?  Poor guys.  

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« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2001, 01:43:00 PM »
 
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nothing but LW though ok? see if you think they have anything approaching an equal arsenal to allies.

Of course they don't.  This game simulates late war, and by 1943 the Luftwaffe was completely outclassed.

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« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2001, 03:35:00 PM »
vv funked i guess they were but the main reasonwas the huge allied numbers set against the very small numbers of LW.In AH you can meet up with equal numbers of lw vs allied planes and still with your best planes and still be at a disadvantage(guns/toned down roll etc must be something to do with this feeling that the LW are muted).
as it was the LW produced fantastic machines, clearly allied pilots admit to this in the majority of cases and if they had the numbers and fuel etc it is an accepted fact that they would very likely have stopped the raids or at least made them too costly to continue.It nearly happened a few times even as the LW were thought beaten they managed to hit raids heavily.One with 65 or so bombers shot down or damaged i think if i remember rightly.
Well even with the fuel and the numbers in AH the LW do not have anything approaching the fear factor/amazing weapons that the pilots i see in interviews talk about.
they openly admit on occations that they couldnt touch the jets until they landed etc.
well if LW was weak at the end of the war 44-45 because of lack of experienced pilots and low fuel and hardships with manufacture etc in AH this would not be the same would it? In AH they would/should be the most numerous shouldnt they?
If like the pilots say 'the 30mm could kill a b17 with 1 round' and 'mg151 were very effective' shouldnt we feel that?
I know what im asking for is still on the way in the form of fleshng out the planeset, but what id like to see is a bit of a swing in LWs favour in terms of their arsenal.So we can cause the sort of worry the allies felt in fighting them? If we are going late war then hell yeah give us late war stuff.
me163,me262,do335 (ifit saw action),he 219, he162,ju188,me410 etc
I know we got arado and ta152 but i knew nothing about their capabilities and i think now they are really more novelty than efficent.Not that im ungratefull honestly.Just with hindsight a me410 or me110 would greatly improve LW ground attack ability, a he177 grief would have given LW a similar surviveable bomber like the allies have with a loadout that is usefull to a single flyer.and decent guns to defend with.Ju188 would mean no more 7.92 frustration Mgs but same ordinance and better speed.
you see what i mean funked? its hard to explain without sounding very ungratefull.This is what i was trying to say about equal arsenal.

and btw i fly the ju88 LOADS and i love it but please let me fly it against hurricaines with 8x303s   and spitI-V's dont punish me for likeing LW and having to fly a 1940? bomber in 1945 airspace.Same goes for the russian and italian and jap fans.Give them usefull introductions before classic stuff if the arena is ,like you say truely heading for 1944-45 era.

again i say this is not an attack and i know it couldnt be helped or predicted im just letting out my frustrations as a fan of LW classics and super weapons alike.(yes i do love spits,hurricanes,mossies,p51s,p47s etc so please dont think this is aimed at allies etc either plz)

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« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2001, 03:48:00 PM »
Funked you sure know Japanese cannons....  

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« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2001, 03:52:00 PM »
btw thanks for the civil answers   i really thought id get my head bitten off  

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« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2001, 07:09:00 PM »

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« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2001, 05:34:00 AM »
funked, those tables show Mk108 with same ROF than sync 151/20 (related to AH, not RL). No more comments needed.

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« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2001, 06:09:00 AM »
btw one of Gustin's site you're using as a reference says that Mk-108's muzzle-velocity was 505m/s while in your site it says 600m/s.
Which one is right?


Btw this is what MK-108 does to planes airframe. Makes me think if AH's MK-108 30mm is porked.

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« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2001, 08:17:00 AM »
I aggree with you hazed to 100%.
It'as true that the 109 was outdated allready by 1942, the 190 continued to be be good and amongst the best bellow 20k but had a rouch time at 20k+ untill the Dora, equily good to the P51, arived.
But when you fly by a bomber with a 30mm in the nsoe of a 109, put 10 hits in a wing and he keep flying with a fuel leak and an oil leak it get REALLY frustrating. You saw Stagas picture, I have a few of those in books too, and that's from a single 30mm round, a B17 or B24 could take about 3-5 of those TOPS before it went down. A b17 could take about 20x20mm rounds from an Mg151.
Considering the roll rate in the 190 is tuned down so should ALL other planes be, if the roll rate in the 190 is tuned down by 20% then ALL other planes should have it down by 20% aswell.

Why should LW have to suffer because the 190 rolled 160+ degrees per second?

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