Was the C Hog REALLY this fast?

[Jekyll]

Here's the situation.  Attacking A18 in my trusty Mustang when I get engaged by a high C-Hog.  A few reversals equalises e state, and a luck snapshot removes his right wingtip.

Now, we're at about 1000 feet alt at this stage, so he puts the nose down and heads NorthEast out into the boonies, away from all other bases.

'No prob', thinks I.  I'm in a Stang, he's in a Hog with 1 1/2 wings.  Surely this cannot take too long  

Well, I chased him for nearly 50 miles flat out on the deck, WEP roaring in my ears, and he was actually gaining ground on me.  The chase started with me about 1000yds back, and by the time I gave up the chase he had increased his lead to 2500 yds.

So two questions here ...

1.  What was the official top speed of the C Hog on the deck?

2.  How the %^$%# can a wing-damaged Hog outrun a Mustang?  Surely there must be a drag penalty from his out-of-trim condition?

Yup, AH sure has realistic FM's  

[gatt]

Hi Jekyll,
dont worry, probably you have met a new LF-F4U with clipped wing(s), optimized for low-level flying  

BTW, the P-38L is very fast with half a wing as well.

 

[This message has been edited by gatt (edited 12-17-2000).]

[Glunz]

Hmmm, maybe that trusty Pony didn’t forget all those flirts with A-5 and P 38 when they were uber ? Just wondering  

[juzz]

Sounds like the FM/DM just reduces the area of the damaged wing -> a reduction in drag, instead of the increase you would expect from a wing that has been cut in half by gunfire - torn metal, exposed spars, etc would add heaps of drag methinks...

[Jekyll]

I think you're right juzz.  It's as though each part of the airframe has its own individual drag component.

Remove the airframe part and you remove that portion of drag as well.

Boy, I'd love to see what speed a F4U-C could get up to with BOTH wingtips removed  


BTW glunz ... check my tour stats from Beta, then quit your infantile ragging.  I always wonder about a guy who has to close his account then come back as someone else  

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[GRUNHERZ]

Blasphemers didnt you read the AH bible?
To enlighten you here it is:
Chapter 1 verse 1

Thou shalt not find anything wrong with chog, for thee is not expert on its tremendous historical performance and super guns. Chog is the clear favorite the AH gods, and is thus under their eternal care and protection. The gods shall not in any way place doubt on chog but only upon its detractors. so on and so forth

Anyway I doubt your "whine" will get anywhere unless you provide exacting historical evidence of chog speed tests with half 1 wing gone at all altitudes, temeparatures, humidity, amount of rocket stubs fitted to it, ammo, fuel, all the above of must course be certified accurate by out holy BBS Triumverate of all knowing aviation experts, to even have a chance of being looked at by the AH gods. Plus dont forget the magic all chog BS curing  excuse
of net lag, then youve got a shot, maybe.

[Spatula]

Jez, not only should there be more drag from exposed wing framing and torn metal, he musta been yawing like mad to stop from spinning around - thats gotta produce a sh*tload of drag.

PS - this aint a chog bash (as much as i hate them), its an FM issue.

[SKurj]

Had a 1/2 winged F4u outrun my jug on the deck last night too.
mebbe it should i dunno..

AKskurj

[funked]

Man that is weird.  Next time I lose half a wing I will definitely do a level speed check if possible.

IMHO drag should go up.  I'm sure there were some cases in real life where damage reduced the drag of an aircraft, but the game should punish you for losing part of your wing.

[MiG Eater]

Is it possible that the loss of 1/2 of a wing means that both induced and parasitic drag are reduced?  I've noticed an apparent benefit to acceleration when 1/2 a wing is missing.  Wing breaks here must be very clean with no bits of hanging skin or internal structure.  

MiG

[eagl]

Overall drag ought to go up, not only due to the yaw and control deflection, but because that remaining stub of a wing has to produce the same lift as the full wing, meaning the stub is producing much more induced drag.  The parasitic drag should go down a bit, but that would be overshadowed by the increase in drag due to the yaw and control deflection.  In addition, the loss of the wing portion would significantly alter the wing's efficiency.  A stubby wing without a smooth wingtip can see significant loss in efficiency.  For an example, think about why gliders have long thin wings.  If they were designed without shaped wingtips and shortened very much, they would be much less efficient.  Less efficient means more induced drag for any given amount of lift, across a less optimum speed range.  

It also makes sense that the damaged plane ought to have severe controllability problems at very high speeds, and a reduction in the structural damage speed limits after sustaining combat damage would make a lot of sense.  Sustained full aileron deflection at 400+ knots could cause wing deformation for example.


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[GRUNHERZ]

you all forget were talking about the all hallowed and holy chog id say there is 0% chance hitech-creations will fix this on their beloved chog

[Torque]

Hehehe you really hate Big Blue eh....she is real purty tho.

[SOB]

 

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[Apache]

Nothing to fix. It ain't broke.