P51D needs to be removed from the game

[Ripsnort]

  Right now, not many people fly it.  But if it became more popular than the Chog or Niki, then we could name this game P51's High.  It simply should not be in here, its too fast, it can get out of trouble anytime it wants to and its guns are more than adequate (see my 34 to 1 K/D ratio).  At least the Chog can be caught and shot down, and if a person flys really smart, one can stay away from the business end of the Chog, however, nothing can be done about this Uber-Stang.  It upsets gameplay.  Please remove it HT, Pyro!  Thanks!

[eagl]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I know you're just trolling Rip, but here's my opinion anyhoo  

lephturn squad has 152 kills and has been killed 46 times in the P-51D.

eagl has 27 kills and has been killed 5 times in the P-51D.

If I recall correctly, NONE of my kills in the P-51 were made alone.  If I'd flown alone, I would have died or not gotten many kills at all.  A 4-ship of P-51's however, is pretty damn effective, just like a 4-ship of almost any other type of plane.  It's not an uberplane, and IMHO it's about the most balanced plane in the arena.  Very fast at altitude but not the fastest down low, slow to accelerate, great fuel endurance, doesn't turn too well unless flown fast, and just about the weakest guns in the arena.



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eagl <squealing Pigs> BYA
Oink Oink To War!!!

[Yeager]

Nice try Rip you Chog loving DWEEB!!!!

Get your dirty damned paws off me you dirty damned smelly DWEEB!!!!!!!!!

Yeager  

[Ripsnort]

Guys, I'm serious.  You can engage, and disengage the enemy at will. You cannot do this with the Hog, you must turn and fight. Therefore, if we go by the rules of Yeager, it upsets gameplay.

[Ripsnort]

 

Originally posted by eagl:

If I recall correctly, NONE of my kills in the P-51 were made alone.  If I'd flown alone, I would have died or not gotten many kills at all.  

a 4-ship of anything is damn effective!

BTW, of 34 kills, only 5 of them I was with someone, all the rest I was independant (alone). Anyone that personally knows me knows for a fact that I am an average pilot, you can check this with Beta-Tour 10, or, use the ladder for an example (An even .500 when I was active).

You see, the P51 needs to go, anytime you have a plane that can engage, and disengage the enemy at will, you have won 1/2 the battle, therefore, this upsets game play in Aces High.  For an avg. pilot like me to have a K/D ratio that high definately means something is wrong with this A/C...or possibly it shouldn't be part of the game.



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[Yeager]

Again nice try rip.

Its not the FM you dweeb, its those godamned GUNZ...whats it gonna take fer u guyz?

I am constantly amazed by the more experienced guys who swear by the damned thing.  Its a joke, a disgrace Im telling you!

When I feel like being a total schmuck, a bonehead out to do nothing more then blow stuff up with frigging rediculous ease what do I grab?  Hmmmm?  A P51? A N1K?  a G10 (god forbid)?

None Of The Above Ripsnort!!!  

I GRAB A UBERDWEEBY CHOG!

Its so fediddleing rediculous with those cannon it makes AH look like a joke to the experienced user!

Love ya,
Yeager  

[Spatula]

over my dead body...

Then by that reasoning we should remove the yak 9 and the typhoon, both can run p51s down. And while we are here, we should decide that we should all fly the same planes - say a spit V or sopwith cammel.

COME ON!

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[ygsmilo]

Ripsnorts evil twin Snortrip must be using his computer now.

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3./JG2
"Swager's Angels"

[Ripsnort]

Yeager, sorry, holds water as much as my theory with the P51.  The P51 is clearly a better plane than the Hog.  The C-Hog's guns are clearly (and historically) better than the .50 cals.)(and I might add, the same guns on the Spit, Tiffy)  So, what should be banned from AH for game play issue?    

BTW, if I want to really rack up my score, I fly a P51, if I want to get down and dirty, and not care about score, I fly a Chog.

I've tried the reverse, and best I could do was a 5 to 1 K/D ratio with the Chog...34 to 1 in the P51 is alittle more dramatic.

HT, please, ban the P51D, it upsets gameplay.



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[Yeager]

Rip,

You are drunk with the power of those Chog dweeb inspiring cannon.

No other plane has generated as much hatred and virulent ill will as the Chog.  No other plane has come within miles of being so devisive.

Your call for deleting this plane or that plane only furthers my initial contention that Pyro screwed up YEAH BIGTIME by letting HiTech talk him into visiting this HORRID BEAST upon the world simply for HiTechs own devilish pursuits.

Now go CLEANSE yourself!

Yeager  

PS Its a slow day Rip, dont challenge me to multiple posts....I will win.

[Ripsnort]

Hehehe!

Tell me this, why is it that only the G10 drivers and the P51 drivers are the only ones that complain about the C-Hog on a continual basis.  I think even you know the answer to that one, Yeager.

If you remember in V1.02, I too complained about the C-Hog's hispanos.  Pyro fixed them.  I can now put 100 rounds into the body of a B26 and it flys away blissfully, however, if I focus that gunnery to the wings, 10 rounds should do it, historically so I might add.  

Edit:Oh, you have to stop by sometime when you're around the south sound, and I will show you a real .50 cal bullet and a 20mm cannon shell, I think it will convince you once you hold these two shells in your hand why the cannons of hispanos are so deadly.

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[TheWobble]

I fly the 51 all the time, and it is not an easy plane to get kills with, you have to be patent and know what your fighting to win with it at all, if ya ban the 51 then ya better ban the 2nd and third fasted planes too...well for rips sake why dont ya just ban anyting that could catch the C-hog, thats the obvious motive.  The 51 is awsome, but hard to fly if your not good at it, you cant just have some kinda turning humpfest in the sky with it, its one of the few games that take real skill to fly properly, its an Energy fighter so naturally its fast and it does it job well.  Hell i guess we better ban the panzer too since it is too good at killing ground vehicles.  The 51 does what it was designed for and thats it, and if its ruining gameplay so bad how come the skys are not filled with them...like it is Nik's, spits......CHOGS.

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Ripsnort:


Tell me this, why is it that only the G10 drivers and the P51 drivers are the only ones that complain about the C-Hog on a continual basis

Ripsnort,I hope this is a joke or tongue in cheek comment, otherwise I have to say that this affirmation is BS.

I remember the times on Jg2, when half the squad was completely against that mosnter. I recall at least two squaddies leaving AH because the Chog. True is that both are back again, but that doesnt change a thing.

C205 pilots,Fw190 pilots, P51 pilots, 109 Pilots, EVEN F4U1-C PILOTS WHO I HAVE TALKED IN PRIVATE have claimed for the erasing of that abomination, or/and a SERIOUS revision of the Hispano damage model.

The simple plane inclusion in AH is an abomination, but the proton torpedoes it (and the spit and P38) carries are simply too much.

Tonight I had a couple more of fights with one-ping fatal damage hispano hits. One of them at quite long range ,while the other at medium range...while I was seeing unnefective Mauser close range hits all night long.

Its bad enough to have such a aberration damage model as the hispano has in AH. But to have a 200 built-only plane that saw very limited service (and in the few actions they took part, some of them were innefective due jamming hispanos) with 4 of those megaplasma cannons is simply too much.



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[carl]

Typhoon will chase a 51 down ,after 200 miles of course.

[TheWobble]

Yes, carl is right, a tiffe can pace a 51 at 8000 and below that it can catch it.