P51D needs to be removed from the game

[funked]

P-51 is way overmodeled.  It simply unbalances the game and should be removed in the next version.

[CavemanJ]

 

Originally posted by Yeager:
No other plane has generated as much hatred and virulent ill will as the Chog.  No other plane has come within miles of being so devisive.

Wait til the George gets that extra 200-someodd rounds of ammo in 1.05

[Fishu]

Gee.. whats wrong with P-51s, if you're not in early war plane?

I've had problems with P-51Dweebs only if I've flown C.202 sort of plane  
problems = takes longer to get the dweeb down, unless this 'fair' fuel multiplier runs me outta fuel - landing

[GRUNHERZ]

how much do 200 20mm round weigh?

[Karnak]

Eliminate all vehicles and aircraft except for the C-47 and M-3.

After that we'll all be even.

Sisu
-Karnak

[easymo]

 Rip. Wait til they do that, move the MG ammo to the center of the cone thing. Can you say UFO-D.

[gatt]

Too much whining is BS.
Denigrating the game is BS.
Focusing only on Hispanos is BS.
Saying that AH is only Hispanos and Nikis is BS.

But the biggest BS is that some players cannot even honestly admit that there is something wrong with Hispanos ... ehehe  , ehm ...

BTW, I even fly the Spitfire IX sometimes, just to try 500-600yds high-deflection shots. Its amazing and anti-depressant, try it  

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by gatt:
But the biggest BS is that some players cannot even honestly admit that there is something wrong with Hispanos ... ehehe    , ehm ...

BTW, I even fly the Spitfire IX sometimes, just to try 500-600yds high-deflection shots. Its amazing and anti-depressant, try it    

Yesterday I got my BMW engine trashed by a single Hispano round from a spit, at 800 yards. The guy was spraying like mad while hanging on propeller, I was doing a perfect hammerhead and had roped him OK. Single ping and the engine stopped at once.

Yes, I said single ping. I asked in private to the guy on the spit and he admited he had seen just one ping.

Just a couple of minutes before I had achieved 4-5 mauser pings on his left wing.

He told me he had no damage. At all.

This is not (by far) the first time something like that happens to me in the Fw190. The incredible difference of effects between the Mauser and Hispanos is ridiculous. Of course a 1 second burst of mausers will kill an enemy plane. But a SINGLE ping of Hispano , at long ranges has a quite high probability of causing fatal damage.

Hispano Proton Torpedoes suck. And when you compare them with the Mausers ,suck even more.

I think is plain enough of this roadkill.

I feel free to say this in this board as I have never seen  the guy I am talking about in the forums.

HTC, please, this is getting VERY old.



[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 12-19-2000).]

[Fishu]

   

Originally posted by RAM:
Just a couple of minutes before I had achieved 4-5 mauser pings on his left wing.

He told me he had no damage. At all.

You should of seen my face when Zeke got through my gun hits twice and still not blowing up into pieces  
4x20mm against zeke and I counted first at least 5-6 hits at minimum, then I managed to get nose fixed at him from very close range (within 150 yards, coming right in) and shot at his left wing for 4-5 more hits, I looked behind and thought that how hes still flying - when he died soon after that, he died by bullets from another guys guns, although i got the credits.

Mereallythinks that over 10 shots of 20mm HE within 250 yards should do the trick against zeke, which of at least 5 hits were on one wing.

[straffo]

LW are always so unlucky  

I've heard 4/5 hispano hit on my Yak last night when I was extending (screaming like a little ... well that's another story  ) from a CHog and guess what ? no part damaged !

I've never got the ONE PING DEATHtm in about 6 month in AH (except in AK when kirin blasted my typhoon with shell and ramed her   )

I believe it's either an urban legend or a error of perception due to lag.

btw Fishu don't you thing that your shell just pass through this paper plane ?  

[TheWobble]

You get rid of the P-51 and what will there be to chase down the chog gremlins..    I fly it and I love it even though i only get about 3to1KR but i could easyly get into a NIK or spit and go round and round and make it 10to1, but alas i get motion sick  

[Vermillion]

 

Its bad enough to have such a aberration damage model as the hispano has in AH. But to have a 200 built-only plane that saw very limited service (and in the few actions they took part, some of them were innefective due jamming hispanos) with 4 of those megaplasma cannons is simply too much.

*Yawn* Haven't you come up with anything new yet RAM ?

Show me documentation that the F4U-1C was considered ineffective because of jamming problems. I bet you can't find it. Mostly because I have documentation that says that the Navy was VERY happy with the Hispano, and they couldn't get enough of them.

 

This is not (by far) the first time something like that happens to me in the Fw190. The incredible difference of effects between the Mauser and Hispanos is ridiculous. Of course a 1 second burst of mausers will kill an enemy plane. But a SINGLE ping of Hispano , at long ranges has a quite high probability of causing fatal damage.

Hispano Proton Torpedoes suck. And when you compare them with the Mausers ,suck even more.

HTC, please, this is getting VERY old.

Then Quit ! Oh wait...  you done that about 6 times already. But each time you come back within the week.

And now your too scared to even fly under your own name. Be a man. If your going to spout consistent misinformation and pure crap (which you feel is your right), at least be man enough to stand up and take whatever repercussions it causes. Not hiding and skulking around under some other assumed name.

The Mauser (and ShVak's) are plenty deadly if you get them on target. No, they're not as accurate at range as the Hispanos. But thats the way it should be.

Do I like the F4U-1C? Hell no. Personally I'm sick of seeing so many of them every damn flight.

But continuously whinning about them, in the manner you do, doesn't help the matter one bit.

In fact, if anything, it confuses the issue so much that legitamate concerns are hidden behind all that whinning.

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure

[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by straffo:
btw Fishu don't you thing that your shell just pass through this paper plane ?  

Are you saying that those famous hyper sensitive HE rounds goes through? :I
Now... are those darn guns with AP or HE..
(tanks = HE, planes = AP and with hispanos vice-versa?)

I remember when I had one shot kills in CHog from beyond 750 yards couple of times in short testings..  (but if we start talking about 1 hit kills with LW's.... with 30mm excluded of course.. i cant remember)

[Dead Man Flying]

 

Originally posted by RAM:
Its bad enough to have such a aberration damage model as the hispano has in AH. But to have a 200 built-only plane that saw very limited service (and in the few actions they took part, some of them were innefective due jamming hispanos) with 4 of those megaplasma cannons is simply too much.

[/b]

You know, the Typhoons are also equipped with 4x20mm Hispanos.  Their production run was also substantially higher than that of the F4U-1C (3,330 built in all), and despite numerous design defects such as a weak tail, poor high altitude performance, and an early propensity toward random, catastrophic engine failure... I haven't noticed any mention that jamming Hispanos reduced their effectiveness.  In fact, Typhoons seemed to be quite successful with the 4x20mm armament.

Here's a nifty link with some nice info:

 http://www.kotfsc.com/aircraft/typhoon.htm

-- Todd/DMF

[Cobra]

All planes are easy meat from ded six.

Geesh guys, stay away from the business end of any lead projectile.  What's so hard about that?  

Hispano's usually don't hurt me if I'm behind the guy...hehe.  Then again, MG's and Hispano's kill me all the same when I let them get on my six.

And its not the (insert here, niki, chog, hispano, G-10, Warp-roll 190, C47) that creates quake like behavior.  Its that little undermodeled person that sits behind each of our monitors that is responsible for the quake behavior in the arena.  So just fly your way and have fun.

Cobra
(Looking around for that dog to kick, because how bad HTC is for creating a game that sucks up alot of my spare time flying in it and reading the board...hehe)