NRA tagged spying against anti-gun groups

[lazs2]

bongie and mojav...  What are you going on about?  I didn't kill anyone nor did I advocate it.  People are gonna die..  better it be blue voters than red so far as I am concerned.   

You are just looking for something to be upset about.   It has nothing to do with what I believe in so far as individual freedom.   I would allow you and your blue voters one hell of a lot more freedom than they allow me.  I would not sick the police on em in case they didn't buckle up in their own car or wear a lifejacket in their own boat or a helmet on their own motorcycle.   I would not tell them what to eat or smoke or what kind of healthcare they had to get.   I am not the one telling people what kind of guns they can own or what kind of school they are forced to pay for.

lazs

[Elfie]

Maybe you should read the context of the post and one it was a reply too. We happen to have a right to privacy and a right to freedom of speech.

NRA uses lobbyist to pander to the govt to protect their own rights, at the same time they are violating others right to "freedom of speech" and "right to privacy" by having a spy in their organization. The NRA had this person in a high position which gives them added benefit on how to lobby the govt to block the anti-gun groups.

That is a violation of their rights..

In no way did this spy violate that groups Freedom of Speech. You're really reaching on that one.

Where in the constitution does it guarantee a right to privacy? If there was a right to privacy guaranteed in the US Constitution then every celebrity in this country would have already sued the paparazzi for violating their constitutional rights.

The NRA lobbys Congress to protect the 2nd Amendment rights of ALL Americans.....including you.

[lazs2]

yep.. and I see none of the left wingers who are wringing their hands over the evil NRA are even a tiny bit upset about an entire fake organization set up by the left...  the links were given in several posts.

lazs

[Rich46yo]

I believe organizations and people who try and strip others of their constitutional rights are themselves unconstitutional.

And the right to bear arms is a constitutional right here in America.

So how would even a gun grabbing, flag burning, Liberal describe an organization that was trying to take away any other right under the constitution? And yet they fail to see their own hypocrosy. Even a communist group is more American as long as they support the Constitution. They have the right to Political expression as long as they dont violate the Constitution. Thats why a lot of foreigners dont understand us, and its because theyv never read our Constitution and dont understand the power of the document in American life.

These gun rights enemies want to re-write the thing just to suit their rediculous world view. And they have lost their minds if they think it would reduce crime, and even then, it still wouldnt give them the right to re-write the US Constitution.

[bongaroo]

People are gonna die..  better it be blue voters than red so far as I am concerned.   

lazs

I need to start compiling these gems into a log.  "Laz: rabble-rouser of the reds"

If I went on national TV and said: "people are going to die.  I hope its the conservatives and not the liberals."  I think a lot of people would be rightly upset.  Your position on this is untenable.

[AKIron]

I need to start compiling these gems into a log.  "Laz: rabble-rouser of the reds"

If I went on national TV and said: "people are going to die.  I hope its the conservatives and not the liberals."  I think a lot of people would be rightly upset.  Your position on this is untenable.

I don't think lazs is too concerned about upsetting people. It really is pragmatic, if some will die as a result of terrorism then let it be those not inclined to fight terrorism. Fewer will then die in the long term.

[bongaroo]

Fighting terrorism?  We all agreed to go to Afghanistan to get the ones that attacked us and the country that harboured them.  Still only have a few of them as far as the leadership goes.  Why is that?  When did we take the focus off? 

I have yet to be convinced for one minute that Iraq was a threat and believe it has weakened our chances of success in Afghanistan.  Iraq was a monumental mistake.

[Hangtime]

Fighting terrorism?  We all agreed to go to Afghanistan to get the ones that attacked us and the country that harboured them.  Still only have a few of them as far as the leadership goes.  Why is that?  When did we take the focus off? 

I have yet to be convinced for one minute that Iraq was a threat and believe it has weakened our chances of success in Afghanistan.  Iraq was a monumental mistake.

BZZZZZZRT. Hijack alert!

....and what has that little missive to do with the NRA and art of disinformation between politically polarized groups competing for the attention of the public?

[lazs2]

bongie... My idea of homeland security is an armed populace..  your beloved blue voters would like to remove the right of all of us to have firearms.  To me..  any peoples who would try to take that right away from me deserve whatever happens to em.

They don't have the guts to do it themselves tho.   If you tried to do it yourself I would have to laugh in your face.. if you persisted I would have to hurt you.   If you were really determined I would have to kill you.   

This is the exact same thing you would have done to me by your idea of a blue state.  You would kill me to disarm me if I resisted.   Hell.. you would have me killed for resisting wearing a seatbelt..

And that is the difference..  I would kill to keep rights.. you would kill to take them away.   That is the reason that less blue voters is better than less red ones.

It is, as has been said, pragmatic.   There is no wish for any of this to happen..  I do wish that you would go away and leave me alone but... I know better than that..  next week you will be telling me what kind of medical care I can have and then.. because "you" pay for it..  what I can eat and how often I go to your doctors.

lazs

[moot]

It's intolerable to admit that certain people fighting for the derailing and degradation of the Constitution, rather than those who do less of it, would be the better loss of the two for the Constitution's sake... But it's not intolerable to back those people who are fighting tooth and nail for degrading ALL living citizen's quality of life?    Who are you guys kidding?

[AKIron]

Everyone will die Moot. It's not intolerable to prefer those who bring it on themselves suffer it before those who don't.

[lazs2]

moot.. that was my point.   I don't want to see anyone die..  I would much rather they stopped trying to take away my individual freedoms..   

I have a feeling that they won't do that tho...  not till they are dead.

lazs

[moot]

Yeah that post was for Bong & co.  Maybe they can start a new thread about it, but I doubt it could stay open long enough to be useful debating it.

[Hangtime]

bongie... My idea of homeland security is an armed populace..  your beloved blue voters would like to remove the right of all of us to have firearms.  To me..  any peoples who would try to take that right away from me deserve whatever happens to em.

They don't have the guts to do it themselves tho.   If you tried to do it yourself I would have to laugh in your face.. if you persisted I would have to hurt you.   If you were really determined I would have to kill you.   

This is the exact same thing you would have done to me by your idea of a blue state.  You would kill me to disarm me if I resisted.   Hell.. you would have me killed for resisting wearing a seatbelt..

And that is the difference..  I would kill to keep rights.. you would kill to take them away.   That is the reason that less blue voters is better than less red ones.

It is, as has been said, pragmatic.   There is no wish for any of this to happen..  I do wish that you would go away and leave me alone but... I know better than that..  next week you will be telling me what kind of medical care I can have and then.. because "you" pay for it..  what I can eat and how often I go to your doctors.

lazs

Damn, that was a great post. Freakin gun grabbin liberals...


great post.

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[lazs2]

well.. it is more than guns but guns are probly the most important thing..  can't really do anything if you are dead or helpless.

Nope.. it is about control...  It is about crushing anyone who would be an individual..  You can ruin a persons life and well.. life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.. these days simply because he won't wear a seatbelt or won't eat the things you feel he needs to..  You make him pay for inferior education for people who are here illegally... We are forced to pay for more and more things that we not only don't want but that are unconstitutional to begin with.

Who are these people?  well.. they are the same 70's hippies that we all laughed at when they tried to force everyone to do what they wanted.. now they run the EPA and OSHA and a bunch of nanny groups and they use their own private police forces to crush anyone who would try to live as an individual.

I suppose they are getting their revenge.  They do seem to be winning.. we all seem to have a new mindset that says "hey.. him not doing this or that costs me money so I have the right to force him" 

Money or "do it for the children"  "if it will save just one life"  all catch phrases of the new left.. all excuses to take away liberty and individual freedom and allow people to smugly remove freedom from their fellows and feel..  well.. superior... morally superior if nothing else.   The end justifies the means comrade.

It is evident in the fact that boroda and the your-0-peeans on this board are laughing at us and saying how now...  even they.. are more free than us..

one can only hope the pendulum will swing.. that soon.. we will not be ruled by a few major populations centers full of metrosexual city taxi riders.

lazs