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Offline Boroda

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Re: Enemy is crushed, Victory is ours.
« Reply #45 on: August 12, 2008, 01:01:12 PM »
Quote from: avionix on August 12, 2008, 12:51:07 PM
Is Georgia not a sovereign nation?  Was the government elected freely by the people of that nation?  If these are true statements, then we have to assume that Russia is back to its old habits on trying to control what used to be Soviet dominated territory.  Putin and the puppet that was selected by him, are trying to bring about the return of a Soviet Socialist State.  What a scary thought.  Typical of how Russia has handled things in the past.  Blow in, destroy everything and then ask questions. 

This deserves a long answer.

Georgia was a part of a Russian Empire. In 1799 Georgian king begged on his knees to fall under Russia's proterctive hand.

"Prersident" Saakashvili was raised in the US, and didn't get "elected" - he overthrew the legitimate government.

Russia doesn't want Georgia "back". No reason to feed vermins.
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Re: Enemy is crushed, Victory is ours.
« Reply #46 on: August 12, 2008, 01:04:04 PM »
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Offline Elfie

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Re: Enemy is crushed, Victory is ours.
« Reply #47 on: August 12, 2008, 01:08:55 PM »
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Rip, read it and please try to understand: we are defending our citizens, targeted for genocide by your allies.

You really aren't very bright are you. There is no evidence of genocide, only Soviet style propaganda. The Ossets are only citizens in name, in fact, they are also Georgian citizens since they were born in the province of South Ossetia, Georgia.

Your delusions know no bounds do they?
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Re: Enemy is crushed, Victory is ours.
« Reply #48 on: August 12, 2008, 01:11:30 PM »
Quote from: Ripsnort on August 12, 2008, 12:14:31 PM
LMAO at MoeRon and Shifty.  :rofl


I'll second that.  :rofl
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Offline croduh

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Re: Enemy is crushed, Victory is ours.
« Reply #49 on: August 12, 2008, 01:12:36 PM »
All in all, Georgian separatist summed it up nice in a short tv interview:

(not a direct quote, hope you'll understand what i'm trying to remember)

"I am just being a patriot and defending my country, Georgian soldiers is just defending his country too, he shoots and i shoot back"
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Re: Enemy is crushed, Victory is ours.
« Reply #50 on: August 12, 2008, 01:14:06 PM »
Quote from: Boroda on August 12, 2008, 01:01:12 PM
This deserves a long answer.

Georgia was a part of a Russian Empire. In 1799 Georgian king begged on his knees to fall under Russia's proterctive hand.

"Prersident" Saakashvili was raised in the US, and didn't get "elected" - he overthrew the legitimate government.

Russia doesn't want Georgia "back". No reason to feed vermins.

The region of present-day Georgia contained the ancient kingdoms of Colchis and Kartli-Iberia. The area came under Roman influence in the first centuries A.D. and Christianity became the state religion in the 330s. Domination by Persians, Arabs, and Turks was followed by a Georgian golden age (11th-13th centuries) that was cut short by the Mongol invasion of 1236. Subsequently, the Ottoman and Persian empires competed for influence in the region.

Georgia was absorbed into the Russian Empire in the 19th century. Independent for three years (1918-1921) following the Russian revolution, it was forcibly incorporated into the USSR until the Soviet Union dissolved in 1991.

An attempt by the incumbent Georgian government to manipulate national legislative elections in November 2003 touched off widespread protests that led to the resignation of Eduard SHEVARDNADZE, president since 1995.

New elections in early 2004 swept Mikheil SAAKASHVILI into power along with his National Movement party. Progress on market reforms and democratization has been made in the years since independence, but this progress has been complicated by two ethnic conflicts in the breakaway regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. These two territories remain outside the control of the central government and are ruled by de facto, unrecognized governments, supported by Russia. Russian-led peacekeeping operations continue in both regions.

You don't believe your own press? Pravda. LOL!
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Re: Enemy is crushed, Victory is ours.
« Reply #51 on: August 12, 2008, 01:17:24 PM »
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You don't believe your own press? Pravda. LOL!

He only believes what he chooses to believe, no matter how ridiculous it is.  :D
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Offline avionix

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Re: Enemy is crushed, Victory is ours.
« Reply #52 on: August 12, 2008, 01:18:39 PM »
OK!!!  You answered part of it.  Georgia is a sovereign nation that is NOT part of Russia anymore.  They are defending their land from terrorists.  What the hay is wrong with that?  

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Russia doesn't want Georgia "back". No reason to feed vermins.
 Kind of a nasty comment to them if you ask me.

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Russian-led peacekeeping operations continue in both regions.
 An oxymoron if you ask me.  Russian led "peacekeeping."  LOL

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Offline Hangtime

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Re: Enemy is crushed, Victory is ours.
« Reply #53 on: August 12, 2008, 01:24:08 PM »
By the way, Eduard SHEVARDNADZE was the former Foreign Minister of the Soviet Union.

Kinda cracks me up... the Georgians chuck out a former soviet crook caught red-handed trying to manipulate an election, resigns and the nation holds new elections. This becomes  ""Prersident" Saakashvili was raised in the US, and didn't get "elected" - he overthrew the legitimate government."

Kinda like Ford overthrowing the American government after Nixon gets caught manipulating his election.

LOL!
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Re: Enemy is crushed, Victory is ours.
« Reply #54 on: August 12, 2008, 01:29:42 PM »
Quote from: Fulmar on August 12, 2008, 10:43:49 AM
In Russia is freedom of speech. In America is also freedom after speech.
In America, you watch television. In Soviet Union, television watches you.
In America, you check books out of library. In Soviet Union, library checks you out.
In California, you can always find a party. In Russia, The Party can always find you.

Well said....<S>

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Re: Enemy is crushed, Victory is ours.
« Reply #55 on: August 12, 2008, 01:42:25 PM »
See Rule #7
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Re: Enemy is crushed, Victory is ours.
« Reply #56 on: August 12, 2008, 01:53:58 PM »
Quote from: bozon on August 12, 2008, 01:42:25 PM
See Rule #7

If the UN is to ever have any real authority, the veto power given to the USA, Russia, China, France and Great Britain needs to be taken away. Until then, the UN is just a real bad joke.
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Re: Enemy is crushed, Victory is ours.
« Reply #57 on: August 12, 2008, 02:40:08 PM »

Boroda...I woudn't jump up and down just yet. It's looking like this is gonna cost Russia more than what they get out of it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080812/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_russia_georgia

And...Even though his removal was one of the stated aims' of your offensive, Mikhail Saakashvili is still the president of Georgia. Georgia's still an independent country, and still a U.S. ally. Although the two provinces' under dispute are still under Russian control, It looks' like the Kremlin was forced to cave to the court of world opinion, so...You might not wanna call this a victory yet, either.
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Re: Enemy is crushed, Victory is ours.
« Reply #58 on: August 12, 2008, 02:43:24 PM »
lol anyone saw the Georgian rally with Saakashvilli on CNN?  The Georgian president seems to be getting a lot of air time on CNN

Also, I saw US flags being waved by Georgians in Tblissi.
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Offline john9001

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Re: Enemy is crushed, Victory is ours.
« Reply #59 on: August 12, 2008, 02:58:51 PM »
remember the Russian invasion of Hungary in 1956, Russian tanks against unarmed Hungarians. Brave Russia won that one also.
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