WE ARE GETTING THE N1K2!

[bongaroo]

I actually think the F6F is just as good as the N1K, i find that they fly rather similarly, and what you lose in snapshot you gain in reach.

You make a big deal about the guns on the N1K, but the ballistics are so bad that not many people bother with it.

Oh but they'll spray away at 800+ and they have the ammo load to dump it out there.  Quite annoying.

[moot]

Crockett, you seem to think every other plane that you don't fly are dweeby.
I'm yet to see you fly a whole tour in a Hurri 1.
 

I'm pretty sure the first plane I noticed "Strafing" flying was the Hurri mk1.  Not to say that piece of flying junk doesn't blow dirty goats.

[crockett]

I actually think the F6F is just as good as the N1K, i find that they fly rather similarly, and what you lose in snapshot you gain in reach.

You make a big deal about the guns on the N1K, but the ballistics are so bad that not many people bother with it.

No, I will agree that overall it's the pilot that is dweeby and not so much the plane, however sometimes the plane can become dweeby by the sheer amount of tards flying it. This is the case with the Nik2 right now IMO. As someone posted,  I think they said it was the 4th most used aircraft in the game, however I'd be willing to be it's not in the top 4 for most kills.  (I dunno where to find overall game stats if anyone can show me, it would be great.. This is only stats I know of http://www.hitechcreations.com/frindex.html)

Is the Nik2 a super uber at turning and have outrageous speed? Na not really it can't compare to a Zeek in the turns and it's no where near as fast as a LALA. Overall it's a average flying plane IMO. However it makes up for that by it's firepower and the ability for the unskilled to spray and pray. Hence the reason that we see so many people flying it, that HO and spray.

Now we get down to the real problem with the plane and the type of dweebism that it causes in the MA. In short I think the plane it's self erodes the need for learning proper ACM, because 99% of the tards that fly it depend on the spray & pray 20mm's or HO shots rather than learning how to actually fly the aircraft.

It's kinda like the Zeek or the Huri2 in that same aspect. The ZK & the H2 can out turn pretty much any aircraft in the game and both have a quite capable gun package. Any two week noob can jump in those aircraft and score kills in a furball out turning anything in the game and letting them think they are fighter gods. However in most cases they aren't actually learning ACM, because the aircraft really doesn't require it. The planes are dead slow so managing E isn't real concern and they already out turn just about everything so just doing flat turns allows any noob to get on peoples 6's with not much skill needed.

Well the Nik2 is much the same, as the typical tards flying them don't bother to learn actual ACM, they just depend on the cannons. Hence the reason we see so many of them spraying & praying and trying to HO everything in sight. It's quite simple IMO most of them actually have nothing else to offer in a real fight. If they come up against a good stick, 9 times out of 10, if they don't get a lucky hit on him they will be dead in a few turns. Rather than then trying to learn how to actually fly the aircraft they just try harder at HOing because that's "easier".

This is what makes the plane a dweeb plane, in the same respect as Zeek's and Huri2's (granted H2's arent as common in game). None of the three force you to learn real ACM in order to be successful. This IMO is one of the many things that erodes the long term skill set of the average player in AH. (ie.. the dumbing down of AH...)

[MajWoody]

I actually think the F6F is just as good as the N1K, i find that they fly rather similarly, and what you lose in snapshot you gain in reach.

You make a big deal about the guns on the N1K, but the ballistics are so bad that not many people bother with it.

I don't know about that. Lute has sniped me at 800 yards before in his niki o death. 

[crockett]

Oh but they'll spray away at 800+ and they have the ammo load to dump it out there.  Quite annoying.

Yea but the diffrence with them, is they only have 50 cal's and most of the time don't do much damage with typical noobish spray & prays. Nik2's 20mm's on the other hand can easily knock off one of your flight controls with a random spray.

[crockett]

I'm pretty sure the first plane I noticed "Strafing" flying was the Hurri mk1.  Not to say that piece of flying junk doesn't blow dirty goats.

lol yea and I almost feel dirty about that now.. Huri 1 is the most uber plane in the game. It just screams out come die sucker.. 

[Furball]

Strafing, i am not saying the F6F is a dweeb plane, just that i think it is nearly on par with the N1K just with a different gun package.  IMO they fly quite similarly.

[E25280]

No, I will agree that overall it's the pilot that is dweeby and not so much the plane, however sometimes the plane can become dweeby by the sheer amount of tards flying it. This is the case with the Nik2 right now IMO. As someone posted,  I think they said it was the 4th most used aircraft in the game, however I'd be willing to be it's not in the top 4 for most kills.  (I dunno where to find overall game stats if anyone can show me, it would be great.. This is only stats I know of http://www.hitechcreations.com/frindex.html)

In July, its K/D ratio was 11th highest among non-perked aircraft, and was second in total kills.  When using Kills+deaths as a proxy for "usage", it was the third most used aircraft.

Killstats page, all models vs all models

Model Kills Deaths Kills / Deaths + 1
A-20G 5387 4424 1.2174
A6M2 1332 3048 0.4369
A6M5b 13624 16080 0.8472
Ar 234 321 771 0.4158
B-17G 4145 10461 0.3962
B-24J 6938 17109 0.4055
B-25C 317 2532 0.1251
B-25H 3753 7582 0.4949
B-26B 2660 8344 0.3188
B5N2 211 1045 0.2017
Bf 109E-4 265 591 0.4476
Bf 109F-4 1535 1485 1.0330
Bf 109G-14 4108 3886 1.0569
Bf 109G-2 1902 1818 1.0456
Bf 109G-6 1619 1974 0.8197
Bf 109K-4 8059 5937 1.3572
Bf 110C-4b 301 653 0.4602
Bf 110G-2 8788 15375 0.5715
Boston III 142 1150 0.1234
C-47A 334 6704 0.0498
C.202 236 450 0.5233
C.205 4056 4014 1.0102
Chute 2096 0 2096.0000
D3A1 200 796 0.2509
F4F-4 736 1273 0.5777
F4U-1 3149 3026 1.0403
F4U-1A 8656 6765 1.2793
F4U-1C 9008 3827 2.3532 <== Perk ride
F4U-1D 13823 19837 0.6968
F4U-4 3330 1476 2.2546 <== Perk ride
F6F-5 18848 23883 0.7891
FM2 4301 4683 0.9182
Fw 190A-5 3070 2641 1.1620
Fw 190A-8 10374 9635 1.0766
Fw 190D-9 10113 7424 1.3620
Fw 190F-8 1486 2257 0.6581
Gunner 594 502 1.1809
Hurricane Mk I 535 1434 0.3728
Hurricane Mk IIC 10066 7284 1.3817
Hurricane Mk IID 877 1956 0.4481
Il-2 8164 6320 1.2916
Jeep 256 2882 0.0888
Ju 87D-3 300 1205 0.2488
Ju 88 1019 8218 0.1240
Ki-61 1535 1381 1.1107
Ki-67 428 1897 0.2255
Ki-84-Ia 9261 6292 1.4716
La-5FN 1592 1884 0.8446
La-7 17449 16209 1.0764 <== wow, really need to perk it 
Lancaster III 4982 20163 0.2471
LVTA2 1763 5919 0.2978
LVTA4 2011 6428 0.3128
M-16 1261 2438 0.5170
M-3 1746 13491 0.1294
M-8 4399 6639 0.6625
Me 163B 739 141 5.2042 <== Perk ride
Me 262 3506 641 5.4611 <== Perk ride
Mosquito Mk VI 4516 5571 0.8105
N1K2 34399 27161 1.2664
Ostwind 7809 6123 1.2751
P-38G 1446 1648 0.8769
P-38J 7942 5449 1.4572 <== Stop it, AKAK  
P-38L 10328 15443 0.6687
P-39D 741 1242 0.5961
P-39Q 1107 1807 0.6123
P-40B 467 1052 0.4435
P-40E 1409 1666 0.8452
P-47-D11 1340 1018 1.3150
P-47-D25 1928 1511 1.2751
P-47-D40 5134 6183 0.8302
P-47N 3719 4929 0.7544
P-51B 2545 2740 0.9285
P-51D 36430 33671 1.0819
Panzer IV H 60989 73239 0.8327
PT Boat 4891 15381 0.3180
SBD-5 252 1352 0.1863
SdKfz 251 125 666 0.1874
SeaFire 14773 19055 0.7752
Sherman VC 44005 18926 2.3250 <== Perk ride
Ship Gunner 50039 143 347.4931 <== deaths in a ships gun? 
Spitfire Mk I 478 1435 0.3329
Spitfire Mk IX 7579 7539 1.0052
Spitfire Mk V 1445 2619 0.5515
Spitfire Mk VIII 10364 11388 0.9100
Spitfire Mk XIV 1449 1034 1.4000 <== Perk ride 
Spitfire Mk XVI 32207 29514 1.0912 <== wow, really need to perk it 
T-34 6000 8855 0.6775
Ta 152H 2237 1932 1.1573
TBM-3 804 5260 0.1528
Tempest 6490 958 6.7675 <== Perk ride
Tiger I 13053 3797 3.4368 <== Perk ride
Typhoon IB 16254 10904 1.4905
Wirbelwind 42630 21999 1.9377
Yak-9T 1620 1546 1.0472
Yak-9U 4462 4055 1.1001

BTW -- the island maps appears to have had a temporary effect against the short-legged LA-7 and in favor of the carrier planes.  Generally the LA ranks in the top 4 -- in July it was 7th of total kills+deaths, behind (in order) P-51D, Spixteen, N1K, F6-F, Seafire, and F4U-1D (practical tie with 2 separating it from LA).

[crockett]

Strafing, i am not saying the F6F is a dweeb plane, just that i think it is nearly on par with the N1K just with a different gun package.  IMO they fly quite similarly.

Oh I do agree with you in a sense, but other than CV battle's F6F's aren't flown much by the masses. The biggest diffrence in the two is the fact S&P from a F6F isn't likely to do as much damage with a light hit. On the other Hand even a light hit from a Nik will most likely do damage.

I actually think F6F's are easier kills IMO while flying the K4 because they are a bigger target. Nik2's are able to squirm a bit more.  

[crockett]

Killstats page, all models vs all models

Ahh thanks, I didn't realize you could select "all models"

[Spikes]

Those stats are interesting. The Spit 16 really needs a light, light perk.

[thrila]

as does the p51 and n1k

[Karnak]

Those stats are interesting. The Spit 16 really needs a light, light perk.

as does the p51

Why?  Neither of them dominate.

[Sunka]

as does the p51 and n1k

The 51???    you got to be kidding.You try to fight with a 51,It dose not turn as well as most birds,It dose not climb as well as most birds,Its acceleration is not as good as most birds,It is not as fast then more then a few birds,And it dose not have uber canons.Look at the stats it will show the 51 pretty much sucks compared to most late war rides.It needs to have its enemy value increased never mind pearking it.

[thrila]

My logic for this is that if the spit16 is unbalancing with 32,000 kills then surely the p51 and n1k with 36,000 and 34,000 respectively, are more unbalancing.

What, it's ok to perk the spit16, but not the p51 or n1k?