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Interesting Idea for FSO. The Kuban Air Battles
« on: August 15, 2008, 04:22:43 PM »
Thought about doing this for a snapshot, but after reading how big it was, it would make a great FSO.

Here it is for the most part.


The Kuban Air Battles.


"Achtung! Achtung! Pokryshkin is in the air!" these words made German pilots feel panic. Nobody wanted to meet him in one-to-one fighting.




A. I. Pokryshkin became famous during the battles in Kuban , in spring 1943. Air battles in Kuban air were the most severe in the history of the World War II. Battles were going the whole days and as sky was black from such number of planes. German historians admitted that Kuban battles marked the beginning of crash of fascists aviation.
A. I. Pokryshkin worked out new tactics of air battle, they were sent to all other air armies and adopted by pilots. There, in Kuban , his famous formula was born: " Height, speed, maneuver, fire!" A. I. Pokryshkin also introduced a new system of teaching of young pilots that was more successful than the older one.
According to the last archive investigations, A. I. Pokryshkin destroyed 116 German planes. He was the first person to get the status of the Hero of the Soviet Union 3 times! A. I. Pokryshkin is considered as one of the best pilots of the World War II. After the war he became the marshall of aviation. A. I. Pokryshkin is the author of 4 books about aviation and the war.





The German-held Kuban bridgehead, situated along the Taman peninsula, was an area of extreme importance to both sides. The Germans saw the region as essential to protecting the eastern approaches to the Crimea , whereas the Soviets viewed the bridgehead as a launch-point for another possible German offensive into the northern Caucasus . Unlike Stalingrad , Kursk or even Operation Bagration, the campaign is almost unknown in the West, probably due to the fact that there were no real breakthroughs on the ground, no encirclements, no capitulation of German armies. At best, it was a set of limited ground offensives during the boggy months of spring.

However, the air battles over the Kuban sector were pivotal to the growth of the VVS as the offensive long-arm of the Red Army, sending a clear message to the Luftwaffe: the VVS was about to return what it had received. In fact, Soviet historians hold this two-month air campaign in early 1943 to be as important to the war effort as the Americans do the battle of Midway. It was a battle fought with such intensity that General K. V. Vershinin, the main Soviet air commander of the sector, claimed on some days he could see an aircraft fall every ten minutes, and it was not unusual for as many as 100 air battles to take place in a day.


The German Fourth Luftflotte (Air Fleet), which included Fourth the elite Udet, Molders and Green Hearts JGs (Jagdgeschwader, equivalents of Groups), was responsible for this area, while its Soviet counterparts were primarily the and Fifth Air Armies, along with three air corps from STAVKA reserves. Both air forces were roughly equal in size at about 1000 combat aircraft each. The Luftwaffe fighter units were mainly equipped with Bf 109 G 2/-4's and Fw 190 A's, while the VVS possessed a mixture of the latest Yakovlev and Lavochkin fighters, along with large numbers of 11-2 Sturmoviks and Pe-2 bombers. In addition, there was a steady flow of lend-lease aircraft: P-39's, A-20's, P-40's and even Spitfire V's. Though Soviet pilots found the Spitfire a disappointment (it looked too much like a Bf 109 and was very vulnerable to groundfire), they flew the P-39 with great elan during the battle. In fact, two pilots of 16 GvIAP (Gvardeiskii Istrebitelnii Aviatsionnii Polk, or Guards Fighter Air Regiment), A. I. Pokryshkin and his squadron mate G. A.Rechkalov, were very successful flying the P-39-the former claiming 20 kills during the battle.


Percentages:

Russian: 50%

German 50%


Russians: (rough estimate here)

P-39Q- Minimum 24
La-5FN- Maximum 48
P-40E-Minimum 24
B-25C-Minimum 24


Restrictions:

P-39Q must carry 2nd gun package with no wing guns.

All planes must have 100% fuel. DTs optional.

Alt Cap: 15,000 feet.

Germans:

109G2 - Min 24
190A5 - Max 48
Ju-87 - Min 24

Restrictions:

Must carry 100% fuel. DTs are optional.

Alt Cap: 15,000 feet.

Bombers must carry full ord.


3 Major Pushes (frames)


Phase 1: Myskhako

The battle began April 17, 1943 when the German Seventeenth Army launched Operation Neptune, focused upon the Soviet beachhead at Myskhako. German Ju 87's tried to dislodge the Soviets and initially the divebombers were unopposed, but within three days VVS fighters arrived to stop the attacks. Though Soviet fighter pilots claimed 182 Luftwaffe aircraft destroyed in the following week, the losses were considerable for both sides. In the end, Soviet resistance was so stiff the Wehrmacht was forced to abandon its attack.

 

Phase 2: Krymskaya

The second phase of the battle began when the Soviet 56th Army launched a major ground offensive on April 29. The objective was to establish a breakthrough corridor to Anapa, a coastal town deep in the German rear on the Black Sea . The offensive began around the village of Krymskaya , which had great strategic value due to its position north of Novorossisk and close to a key railroad junction. By this time the VVS had considerable numerical superiority, so much so that the Luftwaffe lost an average of 17 fighters a day up to May 10th; in total some 368 German aircraft were claimed by the VVS. However, once again the Soviet air force was also paying a heavy price in aircraft losses, and by May 9 / 10 the Luftwaffe had actually regained air superiority over Krymskaya. After the Soviet 56th Army made only limited gains, a two-week lull ensued.

 

Phase 3: Blue Line

On May 26th, the Soviet offensive was renewed along the fortified German "Blue Line" with a powerful armored infantry thrust. Within hours of the Soviet assault, the Germans launched a determined counterattack that soon stalled the Soviet drive. As a result, more than 100 Soviet tanks were lost on the first day. In the air, the response from both sides was immediate and uncompromising. The VVS had launched a preparatory raid of 338 aircraft. The Germans responded with up to 1,500 sorties on the same day. German sources state that the VVS lost 350 combat aircraft on May 26th alone, but overall air losses to the Luftwaffe were so severe that they discontinued active air engagements in the area on June 7th. During this third phase of the campaign many reputations were made: the Glinka brothers, Dmitrii and Boris, scored 21 and 10 victories respectively in the Kuban , A. L. Prukozchikov-20, V. I. Fadeyev-15, N. E. Lavitsky-15, D. I. Koval-13, V. I. Fedorenko-13 and P. M. Berestnev-12.

On July 5, 1943 German operation Zitadelle began, only to be called off by Hitler twelve days later after German forces suffered substantial losses in their advance. The Soviets quickly seized the initiative, beginning their counteroffensive just as the German offensive was stalling. This turn of events did not bode well for the Germans deployed in the Kuban Bridgehead, especially after the Soviets occupied all land routes to the Crimea by October 13, 1943 . That same month, the Kuban Bridgehead was evacuated by German forces.

 

I'm debating on whether or not to Put the Ju-88 in it.



Websites from which I gathered information:


http://elnstu.org/victory/pokryshkin.html


http://war.by-airforce.com/articles/Kuban-1943.html




« Last Edit: August 15, 2008, 04:24:25 PM by angelsandair »
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Re: Interesting Idea for FSO. The Kuban Air Battles
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2008, 11:29:47 AM »
C'mon, you know you wanna :D
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Re: Interesting Idea for FSO. The Kuban Air Battles
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2008, 01:17:43 PM »
Perhaps all these posts about new ideas should go in the special events "general" forum?

We kind of focus on the matter at hand in this forum

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Re: Interesting Idea for FSO. The Kuban Air Battles
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2008, 06:38:20 PM »
Perhaps all these posts about new ideas should go in the special events "general" forum?

We kind of focus on the matter at hand in this forum

Oh... Well, time to copy and paste again.... :rolleyes:
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Re: Interesting Idea for FSO. The Kuban Air Battles
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2008, 07:53:49 PM »
maybe if we had some 38's  :aok
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Re: Interesting Idea for FSO. The Kuban Air Battles
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2008, 02:10:18 PM »
maybe if we had some 38's  :aok

I'm still debating on whether to put in a Spit mk. V or not! :lol :P

It would be a very very close fight and the nature of low fights on the eastern front would bring out great great furballs. :aok


Edit: If this does turn into an FSO 880 gets the P-39Qs! :P
« Last Edit: August 17, 2008, 05:00:20 PM by angelsandair »
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Re: Interesting Idea for FSO. The Kuban Air Battles
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2008, 06:04:21 PM »
Actually spit and hurricanes saw pretty extensive use at Kuban while the la-5 saw none (any flavor). To be historically correct it would be all lendlease planes (I had actually suggested a "lend lease" FSO while back)....which actually was pretty correct historically for the gaurds units involved almost all of whom flew lendlease planes till later in 1943 when the La-5FN became available (1st flight was march 1943 and it didnt reach front line service till June 1943).

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Re: Interesting Idea for FSO. The Kuban Air Battles
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2008, 08:58:40 AM »
Actually spit and hurricanes saw pretty extensive use at Kuban while the la-5 saw none (any flavor). To be historically correct it would be all lendlease planes (I had actually suggested a "lend lease" FSO while back)....which actually was pretty correct historically for the gaurds units involved almost all of whom flew lendlease planes till later in 1943 when the La-5FN became available (1st flight was march 1943 and it didnt reach front line service till June 1943).

I refreshed it in the regular Specail Events forum.  :aok
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Re: Interesting Idea for FSO. The Kuban Air Battles
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2008, 04:52:20 PM »
I think its a great idea for an FSO...

As for the plane set, while the la-5 entered servie in 1942 the la5FN didnt see action till kursk, further we happen to have a very late varient of the FN (a mid 1944 model). The laag-3 saw a lot of service along with the early yaks, from what I've been able to read most of the elite soviet units were in various lend-lease planes for Kuban. Now kursk would allow for both the la-5FN as well as the P39Q we have (as well as the A-20G)....both would be interesting

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Re: Interesting Idea for FSO. The Kuban Air Battles
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2008, 07:17:43 PM »
This info about the LA-5FN keep getting circulated, it was a 1943 a/c. It 1st saw service in the summer-fall of 1943, it is not a "1944" version. Just for info's sake.
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« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2008, 07:47:55 PM »
The la-5FN was constantly being developed much like the 109G series...my understanding is that the specific performance numbers we have in game are those of one of the final production variations. This is also similiar to the P-39Q, the one we have is a pretty early varient compared to the 1400hp that was also sent to the russians. This variation is also seen in the Yak-9U which had a wide range of performce in the different production blocks...

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Re: Interesting Idea for FSO. The Kuban Air Battles
« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2008, 08:11:03 PM »
Well, what I recall was that the P-39Qs were able to make it in Early 1943. I know they were probably deployed with U.S. units.
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Re: Interesting Idea for FSO. The Kuban Air Battles
« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2008, 08:52:14 PM »
LA-5 was 1942, the LA-5F and LA-5FN were both produced in the summer of 1943. The camoflage and markings of the default LA-5FN was a "1944 a/c" thus starting the talk about "our version being a 1944 type", and it being misunderstood.

Ex. There are skins of P-51Bs and Bf-109G-6s for 1944, that does not mean thats when they were introduced into service. 
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« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2008, 08:58:44 PM »
Looked at the current specs and they are more consistant with the earlier production La-5FN's. No clue if this is different since the remodeling or not. The middle la-5FN's had the initial production runs of the Ash-82Fn (1650 hp) while the last models had the 1850 HP varient.

specs for the "middle" La-%FN are roughly as follows...

Take-off power - 1650 h.p
Cruise power - 1430 h.p
Wiing span - 9 800 mm (32 ft, 5 3/4in)
Length - 8500 mm (27 ft, 10 3/4 in)
Height - 2540 mm (8 ft, 4 in)
Weight, empty - 2800 kg (6173 ib)
Loaded - 3360 kg (7406 ib)
Max. speed - 667 km/h (402 m.p.h.) at 5000 m
Cruising speed - 622 km/h (386 m.p h.) at 5000 m
Landing speed - 155 km/h (96 m.p.h)
Range - 700 km (435 miles)

No question that we have the earlier model now.....my bad
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Re: Interesting Idea for FSO. The Kuban Air Battles
« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2008, 01:48:55 AM »
Bump? :D
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