Saddleback forum: Obama and McCain answer Rick Warren

[WWhiskey]

Obama from his fathers day speech:

"But we also need families to raise our children. We need fathers to realize that responsibility does not end at conception. We need them to realize that what makes you a man is not the ability to have a child - it's the courage to raise one."

So if he says that a father's responsibility doesn't end at conception...does that mean there is a human to be responsible for?

complete speech:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/06/obamas_speech_on_fatherhood.html

nice post,, this is a good example of Obama!
 so the father is responsible from the moment of conception,, but the mother is not responsible till birth!
if someone kills the woman and she is pregnant that person gets charged with two murders in some states,
yet the woman can kill that same unborn child at anytime until birth with no consequence what so ever!
McCain says both are responsible from the moment of conception!


sounds like they both have the same view about the right of the man, just different views about the women
oboma must be a tard and a twit, skyrock,, while McCain is just a twit

[Hornet33]

Someone needs to toss that entire post at Obama so we can watch his head explode from the total confusion that it would create. That would be priceless.

[SkyRock]

oboma must be a tard and a twit, skyrock,, while McCain is just a twit

pretty much!

[Toad]

That is just silly. We are all sure about the human rights of the mother. Shouldn't we err on the side of the known as opposed to the unknown?

What was really silly was Obamessiah ducking the question. When the goin' gets tough, the Messiah takes a powder.

Rights of the Mother? Would that be the right to use birth control, easily purchased over the counter?

Of course not... you're speaking of the right of the mother to kill a person. What's that? You say it isn't a person? Well, how do you KNOW that? The Obamessiah himself doesn't know when it becomes a person but you know more than the Obamessiah?

If there was the most infinitesimal doubt about the guilt of a murderer, would you throw the switch and execute him? No, of course not.

Yet the Obamessiah has complete and total doubt about when life begins but he supports terminating the pregnancy. This despite his total doubt and the complete possibility that an innocent human may die. You appear to support this position as well.

[SkyRock]

What was really silly was Obamessiah ducking the question. When the goin' gets tough, the Messiah takes a powder.

Rights of the Mother? Would that be the right to use birth control, easily purchased over the counter?

Of course not... you're speaking of the right of the mother to kill a person. What's that? You say it isn't a person? Well, how do you KNOW that? The Obamessiah himself doesn't know when it becomes a person but you know more than the Obamessiah?

If there was the most infinitesimal doubt about the guilt of a murderer, would you throw the switch and execute him? No, of course not.

Yet the Obamessiah has complete and total doubt about when life begins but he supports terminating the pregnancy. This despite his total doubt and the complete possibility that an innocent human may die. You appear to support this position as well.

Why does it bother you if a woman, who did not want to get pregnant, aborts the pregnancy within the first 2-3 months?  I can understand about later on in pregnancy and such, but why should you have any say so in her decision of abortion in first 2-3months?

[Hornet33]

Why does it bother you if a woman, who did not want to get pregnant, aborts the pregnancy within the first 2-3 months?  I can understand about later on in pregnancy and such, but why should you have any say so in her decision of abortion in first 2-3months?

Come back with that "who cares" attitude when it's YOUR kid that was aborted without your consent. Obama has already said it, a father is responsible from the moment of conception, yet the father has NO RIGHTS at all when it comes to his kid being killed or not if that's what the mother wants. You don't see the problem with that?

[Toad]

Why does it bother you if a woman, who did not want to get pregnant, aborts the pregnancy within the first 2-3 months?  I can understand about later on in pregnancy and such, but why should you have any say so in her decision of abortion in first 2-3months?

Does it bother you if an inmate is executed and then DNA later proves someone else committed the crime that the inmate was excuted for?

[SkyRock]

Come back with that "who cares" attitude when it's YOUR kid that was aborted without your consent. Obama has already said it, a father is responsible from the moment of conception, yet the father has NO RIGHTS at all when it comes to his kid being killed or not if that's what the mother wants. You don't see the problem with that?

The responsibility of the father is to the mother as well.  By the way, I have had it happen to me, and I was very much against it, but I only have 50% say so in the matter, and since it is her body, her 50% trumps mine.   

[SkyRock]

Does it bother you if an inmate is executed and then DNA later proves someone else committed the crime that the inmate was excuted for?

yup.  But a man and a single diploid cell are two different things indeed.

[Elfie]

McCain said from conception.

But you said.....

I don't like the fact that people have abortions, but A woman should have the right to end an unwanted pregnancy within a certain time limit.  And anyone who thinks that two cells should have Human rights, is a nutcase!

I was responding to you, not McCain. 

My statement still stands, by the time a woman finds out she is pregnant it is far more than 2 cells. 

[texasmom]

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[Sox62]

Why does it bother you if a woman, who did not want to get pregnant, aborts the pregnancy within the first 2-3 months?  I can understand about later on in pregnancy and such, but why should you have any say so in her decision of abortion in first 2-3months?

My wife just had her first ultrasound and she's 11 weeks along.The baby is moving his/her arms and legs.There is no doubt whatsoever in my mind she has a life inside her.

It would certainly bother me if she lost the baby at this point.

[Elfie]

Why does it bother you if a woman, who did not want to get pregnant, aborts the pregnancy within the first 2-3 months?  I can understand about later on in pregnancy and such, but why should you have any say so in her decision of abortion in first 2-3months?

If any woman does not want to get pregnant, there are multiple forms of birth control out there.

http://fig.cox.miami.edu/~cmallery/150/devel/c7.46.17.human.fetus.jpg

At 5 weeks the arms and legs are already starting to grow, the head is beginning to take shape, heart, eyes, liver and all other organs have begun to form. By the end of the 5th week the baby's heart begins to beat and blood circulation begins.

By the end of week 12 the baby actually looks like a baby, eyes, ears, fingers and toes even fingernails and toenails have developed by this time.

[Hornet33]

The responsibility of the father is to the mother as well.  By the way, I have had it happen to me, and I was very much against it, but I only have 50% say so in the matter, and since it is her body, her 50% trumps mine.   

And THAT is a load of crap and that's why it pisses me off that some liberal thinks it's OK. When my ex wife pulled that crap it was the ONLY time in my life I wanted to cause physical harm to a woman. If I had it my way I'd have her sorry butt in prison for murdering my child, but I can't do a thing about it because it's her body. Well it was my child.

I support abortion in cases of rape, incests, molestation, or if the mothers life is in danger. I understand there are always going to be situations where it might be neccesary, but it sickens me that we in this country would let it be used as a form of birth control and THAT'S what the entire debate is about.

[Sox62]

I support abortion in cases of rape, incests, molestation, or if the mothers life is in danger. I understand there are always going to be situations where it might be neccesary, but it sickens me that we in this country would let it be used as a form of birth control and THAT'S what the entire debate is about.

That pretty much sums up how I feel about it as well.