Saddleback forum: Obama and McCain answer Rick Warren

[SkyRock]

Well, if we are not discussing whether or not the present law is appropriate, then what is this thread about?

If only so many anti-abortion folks would put as much vigor and effort into stamping out child poverty in the US.

[Toad]

If only so many women would get their ankles out from behind their ears and use birth control or cross their legs.

[SkyRock]

If only so many women would get their ankles out from behind their ears and use birth control or cross their legs.

true!

[RedTop]

I support abortion in cases of rape, incests, molestation, or if the mothers life is in danger. I understand there are always going to be situations where it might be neccesary, but it sickens me that we in this country would let it be used as a form of birth control and THAT'S what the entire debate is about.

EXACTYLY!!!!!!!!

[RedTop]

I watched it. I'm also hearing all the fallout from one answer McCain gave.....Obama camp acuses him of cheating.  I really and truly think this is the one format we should have to see during an election year.

No "Debates" that always turn into a pissin match. Just 4 or 5 sessions..in the year we vote...done by several differant people....and let them answer question on a HOST of issues. Alone...unscripted and totally unrehearsed. I found it refreshing to see Obama have to really try to answer something he wasn't ready for...as well as McCain.

I thought Obama did well in some areas and weak in others. ALl in all though I thought he prolly lost if your keeping score.

McCain's answers were more precise and to the point. Just my opinion anyway. All in all I thought he was fairly strong in most areas and REAL strong in others. I think he won the night. Again , if your keeping score so to speak.

As I said , this was the best format for us getting to see the canidates I have seen. 1 hour each. I enjoyed it and it did help in areas I had concerns about with McCain.

[BTW]

I can't believe the imbeciles in Obama's camp are accusing McCain of cheating. Do they realize Obama's experience is 143 days in the Senate?
Gosh, what question did McCain cheat on - when do baby's human rights begin? Was his answer out of sync with his LONG history of voting?
What was his biggest moral failure? His first marriage - boy that's cheating for sure! He never regrets that part of his life! He'd have never thought of that! Does evil exist in the world? He will pursue Osama Bin laden to the ends of the earth! Boy he needed a crib sheet to think of that criminal!

Obama sounded like a typical lawyer. Use a lot of words to say nothing. McCain sounded like a President. Obama's answers were typical of his voting record in the Illinois Senate - voting "present" on controversial issues. McCain's answers were as typical of his history. Direct to a point that some of his answers will cause him problems as he will be pinned down on them. $5 million is rich and and human rights begin at conception. It has nothing to do with cheating. It has everything to do with history and character. If Obama's campaign thinks McCain did so great, they are obviously supporting Obama because of his stardom or looks and not his ideas or character. The forum did nothing but show the huge difference between the two candidate. It wasn't the confused old man and the suave young rock star the media paints, but it was a clear look at both candidates.

[RedTop]

I can't believe the imbeciles in Obama's camp are accusing McCain of cheating. Do they realize Obama's experience is 143 days in the Senate?
Gosh, what question did McCain cheat on - when do baby's human rights begin? Was his answer out of sync with his LONG history of voting?
What was his biggest moral failure? His first marriage - boy that's cheating for sure! He never regrets that part of his life! He'd have never thought of that! Does evil exist in the world? He will pursue Osama Bin laden to the ends of the earth! Boy he needed a crib sheet to think of that criminal!

Obama sounded like a typical lawyer. Use a lot of words to say nothing. McCain sounded like a President. It has nothing to do with cheating. It has everything to do with history and character.

Without looking it all up....seems the Obama camp is acusing McCain of cheating due to his answer on teachers pay and merit raises. McCain answered the question before the words got out.....what some dont realise is...that EACH canidate was givin a list of topics that would be possibly discussed. They were both given a couple of the questions. I believe the one about adoptions was given to both due to Mr. Warrens possibilty of asking for a commitment from each to do something about that.

AT any rate.....Obama didn't do as well...and McCain's answeers were consise and to the point....so...he must have cheated feels the Obama camp.

[BTW]

Without looking it all up....seems the Obama camp is acusing McCain of cheating due to his answer on teachers pay and merit raises. McCain answered the question before the words got out.....what some dont realise is...that EACH canidate was givin a list of topics that would be possibly discussed. They were both given a couple of the questions. I believe the one about adoptions was given to both due to Mr. Warrens possibilty of asking for a commitment from each to do something about that.

AT any rate.....Obama didn't do as well...and McCain's answeers were consise and to the point....so...he must have cheated feels the Obama camp.

I don't have the transcript, but going from memory, I think the host tripped up during the question. You could tell what he was going to ask, but he had to repeat it because he botched the word order. I'm going from memory though.

Again, there was no great revelation or surprise in McCain's answer and hard to imagine what cheating could have went on. He certainly got no points for eloquence with that answer.

[DREDIOCK]

O'bama is a tard, and McCain is a twit.   

That has to be the most intelligent thing I've seen posted on this board about either candidate to date. 

[BTW]

Ok, after a little investigating ( well not really - just reading NewsBusters ), I find the accusations of cheating originate at the scumbag KOS site.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/17/02247/6361

Here's the transcript that accuses McCain of being a mind reader

  Q ALL RIGHT. LET’S TALK ABOUT EDUCATION. AMERICA 18 RANKS 19TH IN HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATIONS, BUT WE’RE FIRST IN 19 INCARCERATION. EVERYBODY SAYS THEY WANT MORE ACCOUNTABILITY IN SCHOOLS?

    A UH-HUH.

    Q ABOUT 80 PERCENT OF AMERICA SAYS THEY SUPPORT MERIT PAY FOR THE BEST TEACHERS. NOW, I DON’T WANT TO HEAR YOUR STUMP SPEECH ON EDUCATION?

    A YES. YES. AND FIND BAD TEACHERS ANOTHER LINE OF WORK.

    Q YOU KNOW –

    A CAN I –

    Q YOU ARE ANSWERING SO QUICKLY.

    A CAN I –

    Q YOU WANT TO PLAY A GAME OF POKER?

So let  me connect the dot for mentally challenged KOS bloggers..

Yes there should be more accountability it schools
Yes there should be merit pay for good teachers

And gosh - he adds that bad teachers should find other work.

Everyone needs to read this KOS blog to see exactly why they are aptly known as DIMocrats.  I really hope the writer is just completely blinded by political bias and is not really that stupid.

[Toad]

The history of the Obamessiah's votes on something that is above his pay grade:

In 2001, Senator Barack Obama was the only member of the Illinois senate to speak against a bill that would have recognized premature abortion survivors as “persons.” The bill was in response to a Chicago-area hospital that was leaving such babies to die. Obama voted “present” on the bill after denouncing it. It passed the state Senate but died in a state house committee.

In 2003, a similar bill came before Obama’s health committee. He voted against it. But this time, the legislation was slightly different. This latter version was identical to the federal Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, which by then had already passed the U.S. Senate unanimously (with a hearty endorsement even from abortion advocate Sen. Barbara Boxer) and had been signed into law by President Bush.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZTBkYTYzZDNjNDgyMWJmMzMxYzljYjYxNmEwMTdhYWE=

[BTW]

The history of the Obamessiah's votes on something that is above his pay grade:

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZTBkYTYzZDNjNDgyMWJmMzMxYzljYjYxNmEwMTdhYWE=

Anyone who heard that story of the nurse cradling that baby, a victim of a botched abortion, in a  linen room and wasn't moved to tears is the epitome of evil. I can't get that image out of my mind. My brother, who passed 4 years ago, was a surgical tech. He was assisting in an abortion  and the doctor handed the tray and said "specimen!" Well he freaked because the fetus was moving and trying to breath. He grabbed the doctor and told him the baby was alive. He said the doctor just kind of  rolled his eyes and a nurse to him to take away the specimen tray.

I think that story of the bay in the linen room hit me so hard because I remember my brother telling me about this. It really impacted his life.

[RedTop]

Anyone who heard that story of the nurse cradling that baby, a victim of a botched abortion, in a  linen room and wasn't moved to tears is the epitome of evil. I can't get that image out of my mind.

I actually listened to that the other day...Friday was it?  It was very powerful.

[SkyRock]

And gosh - he adds that bad teachers should find other work.

30% of american classrooms are filled with uncertified teachers........start paying more for whats important, and important people will start teaching.

[Elfie]

I actually listened to that the other day...Friday was it?  It was very powerful.

Is there a link for this?