I love NDISLES....

[VansCrew1]

i agree its the best map we have.

i know you do Vans,

ive also watched you avoid the furball to vulch, and other such deeds.

your my hero

It's to hard to vulch with a P51 i stick to picking on the out skirts of the furball. 

[crockett]

I have never been in a furball where I did not go in, drag some out or run some enemy down on the periphery away from the maelstrom and get into small engagements. I must have done that 30 times last night alone. You have to work a furball into your favor, with that many willing enemy, you're going to be able to get the kind of fight you want if you put some thought into it.

The people I see who get frustrated in a furball are those that cruise in at a strata inappropriate for the type of fight they are looking for and feel obliged to fight the first con they come across, regardless of the tactical situation, without "setting-up" the fight more to their liking or seeking out bandits more likely to provide "their" fight. Of course even the best laid plans go awry sometimes against human opponents, but that unpredictability is half the charm and allure of this genre.

The red cons aren't the ones that irritate me so much in a furball, it's the green ones. The red ones I can typically choose to engage them or not and fight them how I want assuming I don't get suckered into their hoard.

The green cons on the other hand I can't do much about. It always seems like as soon as you get a con seprated from his hoard 5 green guys show up trying to gangbang some easy kill. The hoard I don't like is typically the green guys hence the reason I almost always go where ever there is a bigger red dar than green.

Nothing ticks me off more than working hard for a kill and setting up that one perfect shot with a single 30mm tatter, only to have 5 green guys come jumping in with their spit16's and Nik2's spraying everything they have at the con I'm fighting. Hence the reason why you often hear me say on squad vox, that I don't want to fly there because there is too much green.

It's also the reason if I am at a furball I typicaly head right past the green hoard and get out there to the danger zone with the red guys.

[Anaxogoras]

The red cons aren't the ones that irritate me so much in a furball, it's the green ones. The red ones I can typically choose to engage them or not and fight them how I want assuming I don't get suckered into their hoard.

The green cons on the other hand I can't do much. It always seems like as soon as you get a con seprated from his hoard 5 green guys show up trying to gangbang some easy kill. The hoard I don't like is typically the green guys hence the reason I almost always go where ever there is a bigger red dar than green.

Nothing ticks me off more than working hard for a kill and setting up that one perfect shot with a single 30mm tatter, only to have 5 green guys come jumping in with their spit16's and Nik2's spraying everything they have at the con I'm fighting. Hence the reason why you often hear me say on squad vox, that I don't want to fly there because there is too much green.

Now that I know you fly the 109K-4 your rants make so much more sense to me.   Been there many times myself.

[Zazen13]

The red cons aren't the ones that irritate me so much in a furball, it's the green ones. The red ones I can typically choose to engage them or not and fight them how I want assuming I don't get suckered into their hoard.

The green cons on the other hand I can't do much about. It always seems like as soon as you get a con seprated from his hoard 5 green guys show up trying to gangbang some easy kill. The hoard I don't like is typically the green guys hence the reason I almost always go where ever there is a bigger red dar than green.

Nothing ticks me off more than working hard for a kill and setting up that one perfect shot with a single 30mm tatter, only to have 5 green guys come jumping in with their spit16's and Nik2's spraying everything they have at the con I'm fighting. Hence the reason why you often hear me say on squad vox, that I don't want to fly there because there is too much green.

It's also the reason if I am at a furball I typicaly head right past the green hoard and get out there to the danger zone with the red guys.

I'm going to be really honest with you. I rarely have that problem for some reason. The rare occasions that happens it all seems to even out when a guy I raked with cannon 10 minutes ago gets finished off by someone else as he tries to run back to his base and I get the kill. In a furball situation targets are in infinite supply, if one gets popped, no problem, there's plenty more where he came from.

I'm not sure why we would have different experiences, maybe we kill at different speeds, it's an aim thing or maybe you're not pulling them far enough away, I dunno. But, I also get a lot of isolated engagements clearing friendlies as they are dragging guys away from the furball. Either they die as I am coming in or he has to break. A lot of great 1 vs 2+'s or 2 vs 2+'s begin that way. It's always great fun to clean house clearing a friendly who's leading a parade.

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It's to hard to vulch with a P51 i stick to picking on the out skirts of the furball. 

hard to Vulch in a 51? 

i dont know what you where in that day, but you were vulching just fine.

[Urchin]

I don't really agree with that as an absolute. Yes I will agree the small maps tend to allow furballs to last a long time but on the flip side you can almost never find smaller fights. You either fly in the hoard or you pretty much sit in the tower because there are few sustained smaller fights to be had. If you do find one, it wont belong before either 20 green guys are there or 20 red guys.

Personally, I'm not a fan of having 20 green guys and 20 red guys flying all over the place randomly shooting what ever comes in their gun sights. With the larger maps the furballs are fewer and further between, but I can almost always find a small fight that allows for some 1 on 1 or 2 on 1 fighting. The down side is you end up with all the NOE base capture guys and playing whack a mole with them.

To say small maps cause more fighting IMO is wrong.. The smaller maps cause bottle necks and allow furballs that last for hours but they also cause the giant hoards that cause all the gangbangs and cherry picking.  So it comes down to what you call fighting. Being part of the hoard or fighting in a more 1 on 1 sense.

It would be nice to see a mix of both.. the big furballs and the ability to find smaller fights on a regular basis.

The age of the small fight is gone in AH.  Its hording or nothing.  Therefore, any map which forces the hordes to confront each other instead of being able to rampage through hundreds of undefended bases is a good thing.

[palef]

Only had I think 3 incidences where some idiot took one of the GV'ing base. 2 were bish incidences, 1 was rook.  Sadly, the Knits were on the recieving time throughout the whole time..

Nah the Knights (of sadly I am one) took the Rook GV base at one point. Nobody's perfect.

[crockett]

I'm going to be really honest with you. I rarely have that problem for some reason. The rare occasions that happens it all seems to even out when a guy I raked with cannon 10 minutes ago gets finished off by someone else as he tries to run back to his base and I get the kill. In a furball situation targets are in infinite supply, if one gets popped, no problem, there's plenty more where he came from.

I'm not sure why we would have different experiences, maybe we kill at different speeds, it's an aim thing or maybe you're not pulling them far enough away, I dunno. But, I also get a lot of isolated engagements clearing friendlies as they are dragging guys away from the furball. Either they die as I am coming in or he has to break. A lot of great 1 vs 2+'s or 2 vs 2+'s begin that way. It's always great fun to clean house clearing a friendly who's leading a parade.

Just a different kind of flying man... I like to get down and do the twisty stuff with the other con. I actually prefer to have a longer drawn out fight rather than trying for the fastest way to kill the con. The problem is you just can't do that type of fighting anywhere close to a furball, because either more green guys will show up or more red guys, but either way it's almost certain your fight will get interrupted.

Flying in a furball is totally different type of fighting than what I prefer to do. You pretty much have to stay fast and you can't really latch onto another con to really fight him. In a furball, you have to kill the con as fast as possible, because he will likely either run back to his side of the hoard, kill another friendly or get killed by someone else if you don't kill him fast.

[angelsandair]

Nah the Knights (of sadly I am one) took the Rook GV base at one point. Nobody's perfect.

yea, but that's rook. 

[Zazen13]

Just a different kind of flying man... I like to get down and do the twisty stuff with the other con. I actually prefer to have a longer drawn out fight rather than trying for the fastest way to kill the con. The problem is you just can't do that type of fighting anywhere close to a furball, because either more green guys will show up or more red guys, but either way it's almost certain your fight will get interrupted.

Flying in a furball is totally different type of fighting than what I prefer to do. You pretty much have to stay fast and you can't really latch onto another con to really fight him. In a furball, you have to kill the con as fast as possible, because he will likely either run back to his side of the hoard, kill another friendly or get killed by someone else if you don't kill him fast.

Well, you can kill slow if your pull them far enough away or a friendly does it for you and you come clear the cons off him. The trick is to stay very low so your cons aren't visible to higher friends and foes for miles around and keep out of radar ring range of either field. But, yea deliberately taking a long time to kill in a MA with hundreds of people could be a very frustrating endeavor..

[Zazen13]

The age of the small fight is gone in AH.  Its hording or nothing.  Therefore, any map which forces the hordes to confront each other instead of being able to rampage through hundreds of undefended bases is a good thing.

Yup, there's not going to be stopping hordes. But, forcing them actually have to fight each other is a great start. Watch people like Kappa, Delirium, Lazer, Steve, etc. they have mastered the art of isolating  single cons from the furball maelstrom. I wrote up a guide on how to do this in various ways. But, unlike yesteryear the "good" fights aren't automatic and taken for granted. You actually have to engineer them yourself and with your teammates in a very tactical and deliberate way.