This seems SOOO WRONG

[RedTop]

Im sure in Kalifornia he'll get a real fair shake.

I remember this well....Im a vet...but never in combat...but common sense to me is..if its moving or breathing...it need not be.

[RedTop]

If 10 million other Marines can do what he did without executing prisoners, who do you think is wrong?  You're getting your wires crossed.  A war crime is still a war crime. 

And what makes you think this hasnet happend many other times....just not anything ever come of it. Your reaching. Same has this court and trail. Hitler...goering...himmler... .Hussien...those were war criminals.

This kid killed people he should have been killing...simple.

[Tango]

If 10 million other Marines can do what he did without executing prisoners, who do you think is wrong?  You're getting your wires crossed.  A war crime is still a war crime. 

Ah yes, I'm sure the enemy wouild have done the right thing to. 

[DREDIOCK]

maybe they should assign a lawyer or two to each rifle squad. That way they will know when it's ok to shoot the enemy.

In essence isnt that how we missed out big Chance at killing Bin Laden.
some jacknut lawyer said not to shoot

[CAP1]

If 10 million other Marines can do what he did without executing prisoners, who do you think is wrong?  You're getting your wires crossed.  A war crime is still a war crime. 

these guys were in a house that they know fire was comming from. it seems difficult to know who is friendly and who is not.

 only his peers have any right to judge him at all. us civilians have NO RIGHT to judge this guy.  he was serving his country.
again, i'll say it. if he shot them, or ordered them shot, chances are very good that they did somehting to make him or someone in his squad feel threatened. combat zone.

if he just took his squad into a peaceful village, and opened up with everything they had, THAT would be a war crime. killing enemy combatants(most likely) is not

 

[007Rusty]

 

[SD67]

Lawyers will destroy the world.
One of the few only good things about a revolution is that it's usually the Lawyers that get it first.

[wrag]

If 10 million other Marines can do what he did without executing prisoners, who do you think is wrong?  You're getting your wires crossed.  A war crime is still a war crime. 

Not saying he did right!

Not saying he shouldn't be tried!

Saying he should be tried by the MILITARY!

He should be tried by people that UNDERSTAND what it's like, what it's about!

Too many civilians just don't SEEM to have a concept of what it's really like.

Try telling em?

How?

I remember the endless questions.

What's it like? etc.... ( I wont go into some of the questions or the looks on some of the faces as they asked )

Too many have never even fired a firearm or been in a serious fight....

Too many are hampered by the way they've lived their lives, they have no real concept of deadly force and the way it makes you feel inside, or life threatening danger and the way it makes you feel inside.  And how those feeling can affect your decisions and actions....

YOU ARE CHANGED from that point on.  The things that are of the greatest valuable, the greatest importance in life become different then they were before such things happened.  Your view of the world and life also change.

It's far too difficult for many to understand, or perhaps truly comprehend, what may or may not have happened.

IF THEY CAN'T comprehend it without actually having experienced it to begin with, then HOW can they be FAIR to the individual on trial?

So if they're gonna try this guy, and perhaps they should, IMHO it's WRONG to have civilians do it. 

IMHO Those ARE NOT HIS PEERS!

And I just can't see how he would get a FAIR trail!

[Hornet33]

You can't argue with AquaShrimp. He knows all there is to know about the military from all the reading he's done in college, just ask him.  Been down this road before with Shrimp and every time I asked him if he EVER served, the response was along the lines of, I don't need to, I can read unlike you dumb military guys that can't make a real living in the real world. I have a college education so I'm smarter than you are.

He is the type that will beat on the military with everything he's got, yet will NEVER understand that he's only allowed to do so because the military is there to protect his right to do so.

I bet Shrimp the the prosecuter in this case would get along great.

[Angus]

Did I understand correctly that the guy followed the CO's order and shot some captives dead?
If that is so, they should both go to court, it could then be in the same one as other war criminals are tried. Hague.

[RedTop]

You can't argue with AquaShrimp. He knows all there is to know about the military from all the reading he's done in college, just ask him.  Been down this road before with Shrimp and every time I asked him if he EVER served, the response was along the lines of, I don't need to, I can read unlike you dumb military guys that can't make a real living in the real world. I have a college education so I'm smarter than you are.

He is the type that will beat on the military with everything he's got, yet will NEVER understand that he's only allowed to do so because the military is there to protect his right to do so.

I bet Shrimp the the prosecuter in this case would get along great.

Well said...and it can be said of many on this BBS

[RedTop]

Not saying he did right!

Not saying he shouldn't be tried!

Saying he should be tried by the MILITARY!

He should be tried by people that UNDERSTAND what it's like, what it's about!

Too many civilians just don't SEEM to have a concept of what it's really like.

Try telling em?

How?

I remember the endless questions.

What's it like? etc.... ( I wont go into some of the questions or the looks on some of the faces as they asked )

Too many have never even fired a firearm or been in a serious fight....

Too many are hampered by the way they've lived their lives, they have no real concept of deadly force and the way it makes you feel inside, or life threatening danger and the way it makes you feel inside.  And how those feeling can affect your decisions and actions....

YOU ARE CHANGED from that point on.  The things that are of the greatest valuable, the greatest importance in life become different then they were before such things happened.  Your view of the world and life also change.

It's far too difficult for many to understand, or perhaps truly comprehend, what may or may not have happened.

IF THEY CAN'T comprehend it without actually having experienced it to begin with, then HOW can they be FAIR to the individual on trial?

So if they're gonna try this guy, and perhaps they should, IMHO it's WRONG to have civilians do it. 

IMHO Those ARE NOT HIS PEERS!

And I just can't see how he would get a FAIR trail!

Great post Wrag

[hlbly]

Civilians have no jurisdiction do they ?

[hlbly]

If 10 million other Marines can do what he did without executing prisoners, who do you think is wrong?  You're getting your wires crossed.  A war crime is still a war crime. 

Please show me where california law covers war crimes what statutes are those ? What you don't get is if he committed a war crime his peers will be tougher on him than anyone . The UCMJ is designed to handle this far better than any civilian law could be . The captain had the right answer recall him to active duty . Where it will be fair shot .

[Jackal1]

No place in a civilian court for this at all.
As I see it, no place in a court of any kind.
If you are taking fire from someone in any situation, they bought their ticket.