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Freedom: What does it mean to you?
« on: August 19, 2008, 12:33:56 PM »
I live in Canada. I enjoy my freedom to come and go with out explaining to others what I am doing (unless I cross the border)

I do pay many many taxes however. Was thinking of when I retire how free I will be.

I pay property tax on the property I own, if I don't the government will take it back from me, how then do I own it or am I just renting it?

Seems like all our lives we go about with mortages (even the word from the latin mort/ death scares me)

We here have what is called tax freedom day, any day in the year after that is yours, but this day is 4+months into the years and getting further.



Sometimes I look at the people in the impoverished countries as being more free than us because they can do what ever they want as long as they have food in their mouths.

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Re: Freedom: What does it mean to you?
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2008, 12:45:05 PM »
I live in Vietnam for a bit before I went to the state. You don't know what lack of freedom is until you experience it though ^_^.
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Re: Freedom: What does it mean to you?
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2008, 12:52:52 PM »
Yenny it is people like you that can share you first hand experiances that will show the rest how good we have it.



On another thread Boroda was talking about being free, just though we should have a brag/ complain thread about freedom and how it affects us.
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Re: Freedom: What does it mean to you?
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2008, 01:15:22 PM »
  I was from Vietnam also.. although i came to Ameri'ka when i was 5 year old, I still suffered from communism and lack of freedom. Basically, you have no right, the people living in the fast lane do. If you got money, you got power. Simple as that, in America, everything is the opposite.

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Re: Freedom: What does it mean to you?
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2008, 02:08:27 PM »
Well, in Vietnam people are very limited to knowledge mainly because of goverment restriction. Back in the 80 to late 90 a lot of music you "can't" listen to. Same with movie. Neighbor spying on Neighbor was a usual event. You "don't" have a chance for schooling, or a good job, or business unless you know someone who got power, or money. My family came from the South Vietnam side, my dad was a high ranking vietnamese special force officer so he had it very tough when we lived there. After the war ended, he served 8 years as a PoW. He was released when he couldn't walk anymore. From a 180 lbs guys to 90 lbs guys after he was released.
After he got back, he met my mom etc. They were removed of all their land and anything of value. They both had to started fresh again. Without any resource or money to start. I believed my parents started as mover. Not the kind we got in the state. The kind that drag stuff for other people. Like this Pic.



They did this for about 5 years straight trying to make a living. They weren't not able to saved more then 10 USD in that entire 5 years. This was I think 81-86, I was borned in 83. My mom worked 4 days after gaving birth to me. My dad saw no future in that, so he borrowed some money from our relatives and tried to open a restaurant. They denied him his license for that. After spending most his saving do put in paper work for a license. Mainly most of the money went into hands of those that got powered really. So he got really pissed off went to court, chewed them out. Telling them how much they are abusing people from the old regime. He was pretty smart too, he used the public so that they won't take him out. People were being taken out and disappear from their family pretty often. Eventually after much fightin they gave him his license with an agreement that he won't charge any of the police when they eat there.

My dad was a fighter though. When he was a PoW, he wanted to escape. He learned 4-5 languages from other officers, mainly language from neighbor country such as Thai, combodia, Laos, and chinese. Thinking if he could make it out he could use them to save his life. He got caught once, and that was how his legs were kinda messed up, and eventually became partially paralyze. Mainy from almost a year in the tiger cage.



He saw no future in Vietnam for his children. In I think the 1990, the U.S. and Vietnam made a deal, that any South Vietnamese military officer could migrate to the U.S. if they have a sponsor. After selling we had  it took us 6 years to do the paper work. I didn't get here until the 1995. I was 11 years old when I got here. My dad was 54 and my mom was 48 when we got here. We went on wellfair for about 2 years, during that time both of my parents went to college. With helps from the goverment and loan both my parents got their BA.

For us kids we knew how rough we had it, so we strive pretty hard here. In Vietnam you don't have any oppertunity even if you are smart. Money and Power basically is everything. Usually for the family from old regime they are restricted on college unless they got tons of money. Jobs, your education, opertunity are kinda one sided. If you're with the goverment then yea you'll most likely will go far there.

I went back to Vietnam like a month ago to see the changes. It have changed a lot since I been there, there are a bit more freedom now that they "can't" lock the internet like they did with T.V. etc... People are allow to have moped now if they got money rather then it was only people that were not from the old regime. I talk to a lot of the new generation they enjoy a bit more freedom that they got, and think that's enough. However that probably because they never had that much before with the internet etc..

However, there are still a lot of restriction when it comes to land property etc. The goverment can take it away anytime they like. Even if you own that land for last 50 years. As for my sibling, since we had a rough child hood. All of my sibling were forced to help our parent working since we were like 6 or so. With all that somewhat painful memories we try hard here where we know we have the oppertunity. My brother is an O3, navy doc, same goes for my sister, she's also O3 navy doc. I'm an O1, my younger brother and sister are in college right now. My baby sister and brother that came here when they were 2-3 years old, they don't remember how tough they have it, so at time they be a lil disrespect to my parents which kinda make me sad. They don't seem to appreciate what is given to them like me and my older siblings.

Which same goes for many U.S. kids that don't know what is given to them. From my experience I think a lot of the younger American generation are just floating and not realizing what a good deal they got for themself. Also many of our younger american don't see outside of the bubble that's the U.S. I think we're tend to not percieve things that's not close to us or our realitity.

Overall I am happy that I am here, and I enjoy our way of life and I want to protect my second home. Which is why I joined service after 911, signed up with ROTC in 2006.

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Re: Freedom: What does it mean to you?
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2008, 02:22:21 PM »
Yenny

That is exactly what I was looking for  :salute you Mom and Dad.

It shakes us back to reality to hear what the rest of the world is like.

Any more stories from others would be Great also. :aok
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Re: Freedom: What does it mean to you?
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2008, 02:27:13 PM »
I think you know you live in a free country when you get annoyed by some kid taking his or her freedom for granted. Annoying though it is.

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Re: Freedom: What does it mean to you?
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2008, 02:47:12 PM »
  I was from Vietnam also.. although i came to Ameri'ka when i was 5 year old, I still suffered from communism and lack of freedom. Basically, you have no right, the people living in the fast lane do. If you got money, you got power. Simple as that, in America, everything is the opposite.

haha no joke, when I was on my way back to the state. At the air port, I lost some simple paper. They gave me so much crap, i said ah screw it here's 20$ just let me through already. Problem solved.
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Re: Freedom: What does it mean to you?
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2008, 04:51:11 PM »
S! Yenny.
It is great to hear a story of someone who appreciates his life! So many others do not realize what they have and take everything for granted.

All the best for you and for your family :aok


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Re: Freedom: What does it mean to you?
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2008, 04:57:15 PM »
To me freedom is a huge issue. The previous generations in my country fought for it and made big sacrifices for it. Some of our neighbouring countries did not make it in 1940's, and they suffered until 1990's. I honestly cannot describe in words the respect I have for our veteran for what they did and gave us.


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Re: Freedom: What does it mean to you?
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2008, 06:54:22 PM »
  Yenny pretty much sum it up for me, I just want to add to the part where certain movies/music wasn't allowed in 'Nam. Anyways, here's what happened.

  I was 4 year old and still remember it like yesterday. My mom side of the family, my aunts/uncles, which lived in  the States came to Vietnam for a 1 month vacation. So they bring back some music and movies in made in the U.S. Of course, we were all so excited to watch one, mainly because we never got to, we forgot to close the window...

*My house is surrounded by 4.. really..bad.. neighbors, they're from the North, meaning they're communist, and they're land grabbers, basically paying the local police department, to take our house land, which was quite big.*

  One of them was apparently watching our house because we had relatives from America coming over.

*In Vietnam, they're called "Viet Kiu".*

  They see this, and report us to the police, and of course, they charge us for "disloyalty" to the country, and our family was forced to pay them $100 in U.S. currency, and they were to confiscate all our "bad" movies/music. My relatives and parents got beyond angry, and told me and my sister, which was 9 year old, to hide the movies before they take it. And me.. being a 5 year old just thought, "Yay! I get to break rules! And my parents tell me to!". We hid the movies, and the next day, we played this again, just to make them mad :devil. The police comes again, we did the same thing. For the next 2 weeks, we kept pissing them off until me and my sister was caught... The police decided to take my parents in for "disobeying" the "law". After some discussion with the police, they told us if we payed them $300, they wouldn't. Of course, we did, anything to get my parents out of jail. Lucky for us, we know that these police were not very educated, and we gave them money from a board game, Monopoly. After they left, our relatives told us that it was fake money and we all laughed.  :lol

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Re: Freedom: What does it mean to you?
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2008, 08:03:38 PM »
"Men cannot be governed, and free."

This pretty much sums up my feelings on the issue.  As long as there is a politician above me, who dictates the rules in his benefit (all politicians always have, and always will), I am not free.
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Re: Freedom: What does it mean to you?
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2008, 12:59:30 AM »
"Men cannot be governed, and free."


Hey. Laser  :salute I like your thinking there.
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Re: Freedom: What does it mean to you?
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2008, 08:21:44 AM »
once people realize that they can vote themselves gifts from the government and make everyone else pay for it....

Freedom is pretty much on the way out.    We have become a nation of envy.. if someone has more than you then he is evil and must be punished.   If you have less.. it is never your fault and someone has to make it right.

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Re: Freedom: What does it mean to you?
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2008, 10:01:28 AM »
Freedom means doing anything I diddlyEN want short of trespassing on other's freedom.

And that means I'm NOT VOTING DEMOCRAT.
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