I'm Voting Republican...

[Gunthr]

1. I dunno... it's a hugely important question, but the experts seem to disagree. To me, a simple sod, and a man to boot, I'd have to defer in respect to the answer provided by my wife... '20 weeks'. She's unable (or unwilling) to discuss it further. As I recall, most hospitals indicate that at less than 22 weeks gestation and the fetus will likely not survive outside the womb regardless of the effort expended by the hospital.

2. Your describing the chinese method of abortion, or ??

#1 Interesting answer...  I respect that opinion.  I don't know whether I agree or not... still thinking about it. I'm not sure that I think that "viability" is a valid test whether a human being in development should be killed or not.  It doesn't quite pass the smell test - considering we often see what we want to see particularly when there is a big payoff in convenience for the mother who aborts... (i'm referring to casual abortions) "viability" sounds like a rationale to me.

Re: #2, its the subject of some current proposed legislation... the issue came about I think when a woman went in for an abortion.  The procedure was done half-***ed and the baby was pulled out alive.  I don't know if the doctors fought to save the struggling baby once it was out of the womb, or if they killed the live baby after it was out.  Either way, I think they were sued, prompting legislative attempts to address the issue of whether an abortion survivor out of the womb becomes a person with human rights...  (incidently, Obama has twice voted against allowing doctors to save the infant - requiring them to kill it - in these cases. (his justification is that allowing the baby to live would violate the spirit of roe vs wade, and belabor what had been a lawful medical procedure)

I know how I feel about this spiritually, but I am just trying to arrive at a logical and consistant view under US law.

We learn the obvious differences between living things and inanimate objects very early.  We know that when a human sperm successfully penetrates a human egg, we know that it is the begining of something, and we know that it isn't a 1967 Pontiac. 

So, why are you against casual abortion?

 

   

[Hangtime]

So, why are you against casual abortion?

 

It's a symptom of a sick, morally bankrupt society.... cure the cause, you solve the problem. Some of the proposals I trotted by my wife evoked interesting reactions; to say the least.

Example... Young teen has had 2 abortions, is requesting a third. Wifes solution: Abort. Then sterilize her. She had her chance; she blew it.

Wow... I mean... wow.

Perhaps we've been asking the wrong people, enh?

[sprattjack]

http://web2.uvcs.uvic.ca/elc/studyzone/410/grammar/colons1.htm

[Sandman]

Ya know... the birth control pill does a couple of things. It prevents ovulation, but it also makes the uterus incapable of supporting a zygote. It is entirely possible that a woman can ovulate while taking the pill, but she'll likely just expel the fertilized egg.

If you want to make the case that life begins at fertilization, it's something to keep in mind.

[RedTop]

Ya know... the birth control pill does a couple of things. It prevents ovulation, but it also makes the uterus incapable of supporting a zygote. It is entirely possible that a woman can ovulate while taking the pill, but she'll likely just expel the fertilized egg.

If you want to make the case that life begins at fertilization, it's something to keep in mind.

Interesting point...Morning after pill...same type of thing....

Thing is....I have never known a woman who knew when her egg was fertilized. So...Birth Control pill..morning after pill...no one ever knows do they?

[Gunthr]

Example... Young teen has had 2 abortions, is requesting a third. Wifes solution: Abort. Then sterilize her. She had her chance; she blew it.

Wow... I mean... wow.

Perhaps we've been asking the wrong people, enh?

lol...  strike 3 and yer outta there... I can appreciate the sentiment...

[Gunthr]

Ya know... the birth control pill does a couple of things. It prevents ovulation, but it also makes the uterus incapable of supporting a zygote. It is entirely possible that a woman can ovulate while taking the pill, but she'll likely just expel the fertilized egg.

If you want to make the case that life begins at fertilization, it's something to keep in mind. - Sandman

I understand this is a rare occurance, Sandman.  It sounds to me like an unintentional accident, ie, the goal is to stop fertilization of the egg from happening at all... but something - stress or some other influence - causes ovulation and the egg might be fertilized and subsequently expelled. But like Redhat said, a woman who is not specifically watching for this would most likelly not even notice it. 

To me, these circumstances - the fertilization and death of the egg - would amount to an unintended and rare accident, whether or not you believe that human life begins at conception.

[Tom5572]

Just to get back on subject (I feel too strongly about abortion to reply with out a whole bunch of curse words). 
     I have lived, for the last 16 years, in a Democratic experimentation.  I am referring to the Army.  We have socialized medicine.  We have all the government programs the Democrats want to force on the rest of the country (they have to test them on us first).  I have seen what the Democrats want for America and I am bloody well against that!  A goodly percentage (though not as much as it used to be, I will admit) of my peers/subordinates/leaders are ardent Republicans.  The idea that the government can better solve anything is laughable.  Try to do anything around here and if you do not have the right form signed by the right person, come back tomorrow but only from 0900 - 1000 because the rest of the day we are "processing paperwork/eating lunch/gossiping/smoking/o.f.o.  The good news is that in four years I can retire and be a civilian again.  Happy days then....

WMTom

[1pLUs44]

I'm voting Republican because... wait, I'm 15, I cant.

DAMMIT!