Russia scales down death toll in South Ossetia... to 133...!

[Nilsen]

Have I _ever_ made any comments regarding numbers?

[Maniac]

Have I _ever_ made any comments regarding numbers?

Ill be back, need breakfast a shower and have laundry to do, and i have this compelling urge to cuss you out. I will re read the originall thread before that.

You little Boroda Wannabe.

[Nilsen]

Lol 

[Maniac]

You can lol all you want, you defended Russias invasion and occupation of a soverign country. And now when we have the facts that there were no genocide to speak of you lol. What you gonna do when evidence surface that Russias "peacekeepers" or the South Ossetians fired the first shot? lol more?

Let me ask you this, do you still support Russias invasion/occupation of Georgia given these new facts? You still do not belive that this was staged by the Russians?

[Elfie]

Here ya go Nilsen, from....

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24196062-26040,00.html

THE fighting that threatens to remake the post-Cold War world began in the craggy mountains of separatist South Ossetia province when ethnic fighting that has long plagued the area abruptly got much worse.

On August 1, a roadside bomb hurt five Georgian policemen.

By evening, snipers, presumably Georgian, had killed half a dozen South Ossetians, mostly off-duty policemen out fishing or swimming.

After dark, artillery shells began raining down on Georgian enclaves ringing this provincial capital. The South Ossetian leaders began sending women and children to safety in Russia - and mobilising men into brigades.

Six days later, fighting flared to a level not seen for years between the ethnically Georgian and ethnically Ossetian villages that form the patchwork of the separatist region. It was then that Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili sent thousands of US-trained troops into the province, after which Russian forces swept in, crushing his assault.

Note that South Ossetia immediately moved women and children out of the capital to Russia in preparation for war.

[FrodeMk3]

Here ya go Nilsen, from....

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24196062-26040,00.html

Note that South Ossetia immediately moved women and children out of the capital to Russia in preparation for war.

You can also add to the precipitating events, those which continue to transpire:

By BELA SZANDELZSKY, Associated Press Writer
Thu Aug 21, 7:07 AM ET
 


POTI, Georgia - Russian forces blocked the only land entrance to Georgia's main port city on Thursday, a day before Russia promised to complete a troop pullout from its ex-Soviet neighbor.

Armored personnel carriers and troop trucks blocked the bridge to the Black Sea port city of Poti, and Russian forces excavated trenches and set up mortars facing the city. Another group of APCs and trucks were positioned in a nearby wooded area.

Although Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has promised that his forces would pull back by Friday, Russian troops appear to be digging in, raising concern about whether Moscow is aiming for a lengthy occupation of its small, pro-Western neighbor.

Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili told The Associated Press that Russia was thinning out its presence in some occupied towns but was seizing other strategic spots. He called the Russian moves "some kind of deception game."

"(The Russians) are making fun of the world," he declared.

Nonetheless, a top Russian general troops were moving out in accordance with an EU-sponsored cease-fire.

"The pullback of Russian forces is taking place at such a tempo that by the end of August 22 they will be in the zones of responsibility of Russian peacekeepers," Col.-Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn, the deputy head of the general staff, said at a briefing.

The truce says both Russian and Georgian forces must move back to positions they held before fighting broke out Aug. 7 in Georgia's separatist republic of South Ossetia, which has close ties to Russia. The agreement also says Russian forces can work in a so-called "security zone" that extends more than four miles into Georgia from South Ossetia.

Poti is at least 95 miles west of the nearest point in South Ossetia.

Russian tanks, trucks and troops, meanwhile, continued to hold positions around the strategically key city of Gori and in Igoeti, about 30 miles west of the Georgian capital, Tbilisi.

Several thousand people rallied Thursday in Sukhumi, the capital of Georgia's other separatist region of Abkahzia. A similar rally was expected in South Ossetian capital Tskhinvali later in the day.

Russian officials, including Medvedev, have indicated Moscow will recognize the regions as independent.

Nogovitsyn said Georgia has "no moral right" to return its soldiers to South Ossetia, where they had held some swaths of land as part of a peacekeeping mission.

The warfare in a nation straining to escape Moscow's influence has sent tensions between Moscow and the West to some of their highest levels since the 1991 breakup of the Soviet Union.

On Wednesday, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and her Polish counterpart signed a deal to build an American missile defense base in Poland. Last week, a top Russian general warned Poland was risking an attack, possibly a nuclear one, by developing the base.

A spokeswoman for Norway's defense ministry said Russia had told its embassy that Moscow plans to "freeze all military cooperation" with NATO and its allies. Later, Russia's Interfax news agency cited Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Grushko as saying Moscow was reconsidering its cooperation with the military alliance.

About 80,000 people displaced by the fighting are in more than 600 centers in and around Tbilisi. The United Nations estimates 158,000 people in all fled their homes in the last two weeks — some south to regions around Tbilisi, some north to Russia.

A U.S. official in Turkey said three U.S. military vessels were heading through Turkey's Bosporus, a strait that connects the Mediterranean with the Black Sea, to deliver aid to Georgia. Two of the ships were leaving Crete on Thursday. He declined to be named because he was not authorized to give that information to media.

Since Aug. 19, the United States has delivered aid to Georgia's capital, Tbilisi, on 20 flights.

___

Associated Press writers Mike Eckel in Igoeti, Georgia, Jim Heintz and David Nowak in Moscow, and C. Onur Ant in Istanbul, Turkey, contributed to this report.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080821/ap_on_re_eu/georgia_russia

[Toad]

More lies from the lying Western press!

By the matted dirty beard of Boroda, where is the truth as spoken from Moscow?


http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon0820mt.html

Report from Tbilisi

On Monday, I visited one of the schools transformed into refugee housing in the center of Tbilisi and spoke to four women—Lia, Nana, Diana, and Maya—who had fled with their children from a cluster of small villages just outside the city of Gori. “We left the cattle,” Lia said. “We left the house. We left everything and came on foot because to stay there was impossible.” Diana’s account: “They are burning the houses. From most of the houses they are taking everything. They are stealing everything, even such things as toothbrushes and toilets. They are taking the toilets. Imagine. They are taking broken refrigerators.”

[Hornet33]

Well things just a little more personal for me regarding this situation around Poti Georgia. I was there in 2001 onboard the CGC Legare for 4 days. Now I read about this in the local paper.

The Virginian-Pilot
© August 21, 2008
The Norfolk-based destroyer McFaul is headed to Georgia with two other ships carrying humanitarian relief supplies, becoming the first surface ships to respond to the Georgian government's request for aid, the Navy's Sixth Fleet announced.

The McFaul left Souda Bay, Crete, on Wednesday, according to a news release. Later in the week, the Charleston-based Coast Guard Cutter Dallas will depart, followed by the amphibious command ship Mount Whitney later in the month. The Dallas is currently commanded by Capt. Robert Wagner of Chesapeake.

The McFaul and Dallas are scheduled to arrive within a week, the Navy said. They will deliver blankets, baby food, hygiene kits and other supplies in response to a request from the Georgian government following attacks by Russian forces.

The Dallas and McFaul are on regularly scheduled deployments.


I've known Bob Wagner for almost 10 years. I used to wargame with the guy, in fact I had been going over to his house, drinking his beer and smoking his expensive cigars while gaming with him for almost 6 months before I found out he was an officer in the Coast Guard. He was a Lt. Commander when we met and was the CO of the Training and Quota Command here in Chesapeake. I have attended 2 of his 3 last change of commands as a command sponsored guest and still keep in touch with him on a regular basis. Now I read today he's sailing into harms way   The CGC Dallas is only 378ft long. Kinda between a small frigate, and a large corvette type ship. She's only lightly armed and even though the Coast Guard trains often with the Navy for surface warfare, it's not our strong point. 

This one has me a little more worried than normal, because I have several other good friends serving onboard the Dallas as well. Bob's a great CO, and he knows his stuff, but I hope he doesn't get into something that's more than he, his crew, and the ship can handle.

  Capt Wagner, and the crew of the CGC Dallas.....Semper Paratus

[Ripsnort]

Still *crickets* have not heard Boroda's opinion on this report by the Russians. Wasn't it he that first reported "2000 killed, GENOCIDE!" ?

[Hangtime]

Boroda ticked Skuzzy off, got tagged png. I'm guessing you'll be hearing crickets for some time yet.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Still *crickets* have not heard Boroda's opinion on this report by the Russians. Wasn't it he that first reported "2000 killed, GENOCIDE!" ?

Yep, comrade Boroda is PNG. Can't say I didn't see it coming. Sort of hated to see it happen.

[Dowding]

It was useful to see another opinion at first. But he soon became a bit... unhinged.

Even the 133 dead has yet to be independently verified.

[Elfie]

Boroda ticked Skuzzy off, got tagged png. I'm guessing you'll be hearing crickets for some time yet.

Well I'll be darned......I completely missed that.

[Ripsnort]

Well I'll be darned......I completely missed that.

Me too.
Actually, he was quite useful, in his typcial Bolshevik way, his posts and thought processes have taught the majority of us all how fortunate we are to live in the Western countries.

[Angus]

All a waste, - such a waste. Russia invading a Georgian counTY because the Georgians invaded the same counTY because of the counTY rebels, and in th process, the Russians carried on into the counTRY.
Best not to mix things up.
I'll mizz Boroda though. Does he fly in AH?