Mutual Defense Treaty with Poland.......huh?

[Yeager]

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D92M5GM81&show_article=1

and I quote:

"When you threaten Poland, you perhaps forget that it is not 1988," Rice said. "It's 2008 and the United States has a ... firm treaty guarantee to defend Poland's territory as if it was the territory of the United States. So it's probably not wise to throw these threats around."
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I must have missed the part where we signed a mutual defense treaty with Poland.  I suppose we have one with Ukraine and all those other ex soviet states as well. 

Crap, no wonder Russia, a compulsively paranoid nation (rightfully so) is even more paranoid.

Im not so sure I like this.

[FrodeMk3]

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D92M5GM81&show_article=1

and I quote:

"When you threaten Poland, you perhaps forget that it is not 1988," Rice said. "It's 2008 and the United States has a ... firm treaty guarantee to defend Poland's territory as if it was the territory of the United States. So it's probably not wise to throw these threats around."
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I must have missed the part where we signed a mutual defense treaty with Poland.  I suppose we have one with Ukraine and all those other ex soviet states as well. 

Crap, no wonder Russia, a compulsively paranoid nation (rightfully so) is even more paranoid.

Im not so sure I like this.

Some of that might have been said to make the Poles' feel better about signing...And to help get other countries' to sign as well. The question that's at the top of my mind now is this: If we have to back up one of these treaties with military force, What is that gonna entail for things' like the "war on terror"? If we have to move immediately, will we have to abandon some of our other commitments' to meet treaty obligations?

[Fulmar]

What is that gonna entail for things' like the "war on terror"? If we have to move immediately, will we have to abandon some of our other commitments' to meet treaty obligations?

By this time, we're all fluffied anyways.

[Hornet33]

Uh Poland joined NATO several years ago. The US is obligated by the NATO treaty to defend any and all countries that are members.

So.....if Russia attacks Poland, it isn't just the US that is coming to the fight, it's a NATO operation/obligation to defend Poland.

[Yeager]

Russia and Syria are rekindling their old relationship.......

"A closer alliance with a resurgent Russia, flush with petro-dollars, could afford Mr al-Assad a way out of any binding commitment. Some Israeli analysts even fear it could encourage Syria to try to take back the Golan Heights, captured by Israel in 1967, by force."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article4573599.ece

Its an intersting article.......

"The conflict in Georgia has already sparked a mocking speech by Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbollah, over the performance of Israeli-trained Georgian forces. One of the main Israeli military advisers there was reserve Brigadier-General Gal Hirsch, who commanded a division in Israel’s inconclusive war with Hezbollah in 2006 and later resigned his commission.

[Yeager]

Uh Poland joined NATO several years ago. The US is obligated by the NATO treaty to defend any and all countries that are members.

So.....if Russia attacks Poland, it isn't just the US that is coming to the fight, it's a NATO operation/obligation to defend Poland.

Geeze...who invited Poland into NATO and why?

So it looks like NATO wants to encirlce Russian borders with NATO member countries then?  No wonder the russians are pissed........I sure as hell hope we have our strategic nuclear forces in top shape.  Cold war looks to be on.

[Baitman]

Keep poking the bear I am sure he won't mind.

Russia warns of response beyond diplomacy to missile shield in Poland

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

MOSCOW - Russia is again lashing out at a deal signed by the United States and Poland to place a missile defence facility in the former Soviet ally.

Russia's Foreign Ministry says the U.S. missile shield plans are clearly aimed at weakening Russia.

It says Moscow's response to any development beyond the current plans will go beyond diplomacy.

The ministry's statement Wednesday was not as stark as the warning from a Russian general last week that Poland is risking a Russian attack, possibly even a nuclear weapons, by agreeing to host American interceptors.

But it came amid severe tension between Russia and the U.S. over the war in Georgia.

[Hornet33]

They weren't invited, they requested to join. A majority vote by member nations approved their application and presto, Poland is part of NATO. Same thing with Ukraine and Georgia. No one went and asked them if they wanted in, both of those countries have requested to join. Countries that request to join NATO first have to demonstrate that their military and government can effectively cooperate with NATO and be able to live up the the treaty obligations. Poland was able to demostrate this so they were let in.

You got one thing right though, Russia is pissed because all it's formaer WARSAW Pact buddies that they ran into the ground during the cold war are telling them to take a flying leap.

[Holden McGroin]

Geeze...who invited Poland into NATO and why?

So why did Poland join NATO?

I guess there's no joke there.

[Maniac]

I would like to see Russia try this Georgia poop with Poland. Really.

[Toad]

That would get ugly fast.

[FrodeMk3]

That would get ugly fast.

Yeah it would. In a way, it's kinda getting ugly now.

[Hangtime]

Geeze...who invited Poland into NATO and why?

So it looks like NATO wants to encirlce Russian borders with NATO member countries then?  No wonder the russians are pissed........I sure as hell hope we have our strategic nuclear forces in top shape.  Cold war looks to be on.

I'd back a Treaty with Poland without reservation.

Brave bastards, fought the Russians and the Germans with everything they had... and continued fighting as exceptional expat forces with the brits all through WWII. Thier thanks was to be royally screwed by the west at the end of WWII. They've more than earned our support without hesitation or reservation.

[Gh0stFT]

somehow it reminds me at the Cuban Missile Crisis confrontation, the moment in which the Cold War came closest to a nuclear war. Cuba were prepared to use battlefield nuclear weapons to defend the island if it was invaded.
But this time its just at the Russian Border...

[Hornet33]

The tension is heading in that direction, but the reasons aren't even close to the Cuban Missile Crisis. We aren't secretly basing tactical nuclear tipped missles in Poland. We're openly installing an anti ballistic missle system that not only protects most of Europe, but Moscow as well from threats to the south (Iran). Our interceptors don't even have an explosive warhead. They use a kinetic energy kill vehicle that is designed to destroy an incoming warhead by running into the thing and smashing it to pieces.

Poland is also getting Patriot IV missile systems as well for defense against tactical missile systems (Russia).

Again Russia is just pissed because all the countires they controled back when they ran the USSR, are seeking entrance into NATO for protection from Russia. Guess 50 some odd years of being trampled on by mother Russia was enough for most of them and they are doing what they have to do to make sure it never happens again. Seeing what has been going on in Georgia is only reinforcing those beliefs. Not to mention hearing a Russian General Officer going on TV and saying that an attack against Poland is likely and that there could be a nuclear element involved, doesn't help matters either.

The boys in Moscow need to take a real hard look at Putin. They've made some real progress in joining the world community over the years and Putin is trying real hard to toss it all away. Only this time the big bad bear, doesn't have the claws and teeth it once did. Rattling the nuclear saber this early in the game proves that beyond a doubt.

Russia has absolutely nothing to gain by taking this line, but they sure do have allot to loose, and I'm not talking about Putin and his cronies, I'm talking about the Russian people in general. They really need to wake up to what their "leader" is doing.