Mutual Defense Treaty with Poland.......huh?

[Masherbrum]

I'd back a Treaty with Poland without reservation.

Brave bastards, fought the Russians and the Germans with everything they had... and continued fighting as exceptional expat forces with the brits all through WWII. Thier thanks was to be royally screwed by the west at the end of WWII. They've more than earned our support without hesitation or reservation.

Amen Hangtime.   You saved me typing pretty much everything you posted.   

[Elfie]

Keep poking the bear I am sure he won't mind.

It's all just so much screaming, yelling and waving of arms by the Russians. They have missiles that can defeat the ABM missiles anyways.

[Elfie]

somehow it reminds me at the Cuban Missile Crisis confrontation, the moment in which the Cold War came closest to a nuclear war. Cuba were prepared to use battlefield nuclear weapons to defend the island if it was invaded.
But this time its just at the Russian Border...

Using battlefield nukes (also called tactical nukes) on their own soil would have been disastrous not only for the invaders, but also for Cuba.

[john9001]

russia is walking on thin ice, and they hear it cracking, and they are scared.

[RAIDER14]

I don't think Russia would  be stupid enough to launch any ICBMs due to Mutual assured destruction

[Masherbrum]

I don't think Russia would  be stupid enough to launch any ICBMs due to Mutual assured destruction

They are.

[Baitman]

They are.

Russia is so big they feel as they can take everything and still survive.

[bj229r]

None of those missiles we are putting in Poland will stop T-80's and BMP's, Russia obviously is aware of that

[AKIron]

Time to stock up on water, purifier tablets, canned goods, camping gear, and ammunition.

[kamilyun]

I remember this guy from my teenage years.  Disappeared pretty quickly...but was some sort of hero, I guess.

[Hornet33]

None of those missiles we are putting in Poland will stop T-80's and BMP's, Russia obviously is aware of that

No but a bunch of Leopard II's M1A1's and Challenger's will when you top those off with a couple hundred JSOW's, JDAM's, and Hellfires from the NATO air forces. Tank plinking form 30,000ft is nothing for our boys these days.

[bj229r]

No but a bunch of Leopard II's M1A1's and Challenger's will when you top those off with a couple hundred JSOW's, JDAM's, and Hellfires from the NATO air forces. Tank plinking form 30,000ft is nothing for our boys these days.

True enough, but it's looking like WE (mebbe Britain) are the only NATO member who would lift a finger if it actually came to defending Poland. (What's the smallest satellite-guided bomb made? and how many of the can be fit to a B2, and how fast can ground targets (afore-mentioned T-80's) be identified and targeted by said bombs?)

[FrodeMk3]

True enough, but it's looking like WE (mebbe Britain) are the only NATO member who would lift a finger if it actually came to defending Poland. (What's the smallest satellite-guided bomb made? and how many of the can be fit to a B2, and how fast can ground targets (afore-mentioned T-80's) be identified and targeted by said bombs?)

Being a NATO member, Poland can (and should) expect help from the other member nations. It would take time to move forces in-country, but it's easier to do when it's mainly over land.

I'm more worried about our lack of response over Georgia. It may have given Putin the notion that we will try the same thing in any kind of invasion of Poland-some kind of "stern" diplomacy and humanitarian aid. I hope that we would honor our treaty commitments' as they are written, though.

[bj229r]

Being a NATO member, Poland can (and should) expect help from the other member nations. It would take time to move forces in-country, but it's easier to do when it's mainly over land.

I'm more worried about our lack of response over Georgia. It may have given Putin the notion that we will try the same thing in any kind of invasion of Poland-some kind of "stern" diplomacy and humanitarian aid. I hope that we would honor our treaty commitments' as they are written, though.

Russia made a BIG stink before the NATO meeting in Brussels in April, and mindful of where western Europe's oil comes from, Georgia was voted down as a new member....hence, nothing but lip service from NATO on current goings-on. ...a bit more from us, but obviously our country won't get behind military intervention. Even if Europe WANTED to do something, it doesn't spend any frikkin money on its military for Georgia. If Russia started knocking off every former satellite country today, could western Europe alone stop her, and WOULD they even try? I doubt it

[indy007]

True enough, but it's looking like WE (mebbe Britain) are the only NATO member who would lift a finger if it actually came to defending Poland. (What's the smallest satellite-guided bomb made? and how many of the can be fit to a B2, and how fast can ground targets (afore-mentioned T-80's) be identified and targeted by said bombs?)

The B-2 has a payload upwards of 20 tons, and can carry SDBs. It's in the 250 pound class. They can strike in a radius of 80 miles, and attack targets well behind the bomber. With good intel, you could theoretically hit 120 or more targets simultaneously with 1 bomber. 1 B-2 with SDBs vs City = stone-age, with no nuclear fallout.

Attacking tanks with it is silly though. You don't send a battleship to take out a dinghy. A single F-16 with a couple JSOWs can basically annihilate a battalion of enemy tanks from 50 miles out in a divetoss release.