McCain flip-flopping

[midnight Target]

Actually it's exactly what you asked for, you just don't want to admit it. Obama's written words and spoken speaches of him saying he never heard Rev Wright saying things like that in over 20 years of being a member of that church.

You just did it again...

Obama said "The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation."

 
You think he said "he never heard Rev Wright saying things like that". If you don't see the difference you need an English lesson.

“I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy,” Obama also writes. “I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies. I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether it’s on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue.”

But you just keep on spinning.  Cause you like sound bites instead of facts.

[acfireguy26]

See, more BS rhetoric. Please point out when and where Obama said he "never knew" about Whites "positions".

Quote from: Obama
The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation.

Sorry, not what I asked for at all.


That is quite a bit different than the spin people "heard" on Faux news.

Mabe I missed something. Naaa, your just in denial.

[Hornet33]

You just did it again...

Obama said "The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation."

 
You think he said "he never heard Rev Wright saying things like that". If you don't see the difference you need an English lesson.


But you just keep on spinning.  Cause you like sound bites instead of facts.

Well excuss this poor old redneck from Oklahoma and my less than perfect grammer, but Obama "The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation." and Me "he never heard Rev Wright saying things like that" is my countryfied simple way of saying the same damn thing and you know it. If you don't see the similarity you need a reading comprehension lesson.

[john9001]

You just did it again...

Obama said "The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation."

 
You think he said "he never heard Rev Wright saying things like that". If you don't see the difference you need an English lesson.


But you just keep on spinning.  Cause you like sound bites instead of facts.

mt, i think you need to tell us what "is" is.

question::When did obama find out wright was a racist?
answer:: when obama decided to run for prestdent. 

[Anaxogoras]

Well excuss this poor old redneck from Oklahoma and my less than perfect grammer, but Obama "The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation." and Me "he never heard Rev Wright saying things like that" is my countryfied simple way of saying the same damn thing and you know it. If you don't see the similarity you need a reading comprehension lesson.

No, your version of what Obama said means that Obama never heard Wright say those things at any time or place, or in any way whatsoever.  Obama's version means that he could have heard him say things like that on TV, or Radio, or even a non-religious public speaking event, but that he didn't hear him say it sitting in the pews or in personal conversation.

I can see the difference.  That's how a politician covers their bellybutton without lying.

[Hornet33]

And that's when I would look a politician in the eyes and tell them they are a lying POS.....and THAT was MY entire point. Obama is a lying POS.

[RedTop]

See, more BS rhetoric. Please point out when and where Obama said he "never knew" about Whites "positions".

MT....your not gonna like this when it's answered I don't think.

[CAP1]

hornet....can you pm? nothing to do with this thread.......another though......

[FrodeMk3]

I was gonna do this in a seperate thread, but perhaps it's more fitting here...

    "Conservo-speak"

"Sound Jurisprudence" = court rulings conservatives like
"Judicial Activism" = court rulings conservatives hate

"Special Interests" = lobbiests conservatives don't like
"Industry Spokesmen = lobbiests on the conservative payroll

"Law and Order" = government enforcing laws conservatives like
"Government Interference" = laws conservatives don't like

"Runaway Litigation" = lawsuits against big business
"Tort Reform" = legal protection for big business

"Refugees" = boat people conservatives like
"Illegal Immigrants" = boat people conservatives hate

"Faith-based Organization" = religions conservatives like
"Cults" = religious movements conservative disapprove of

"Democracies" = foreign governments conservatives (and their sheep in the
                mainstream media) like
"Regimes" = foreign governments conservatives (and their sheep in the
            mainstream media) don't like

"Militia leaders" = armed locals with conservative ideas
"Warlords" = armed foreigners who frighten conservatives

"Protection of Strategic Interest" = US interventionism
"Violation of Sovereign Boundaries" = when anyone else does it

"Welfare Queen" = federal handouts to people
"Vital Subsidy" = federal handouts to corporations

"Public Servant" = conservative congressmen
"Career Politician" = liberal congressmen

"Regrettable incident" = scandal involving a Republican
"Failure of liberal values" = scandal involving a Democrat

"Stock Market collapse" = share price slide under a Democratic president
"Market Correction" = share price slide under a Republican president

"Concerned Scientist" = an expert conservatives agree with
"Environmental Extremist" = an expert liberals agree with

"Unemployment" = people out of work under Democratic Administrations
"Labor surpluses" = people out of work under Republican Administrations

"Team Player" = a Republican Senate Majority Leader or House Speaker
                during a Republican administration
"Obstructionist" = a Democratic Senate Majority Leader or House Speaker
                   during a Republican administration

"Consulting Fee" = When a Republican legislator gets cash from an
                   interested organization
"Bribe" = When a Democrat legislator gets cash from an interested
          organization

"Resolute" = a conservative blundering ahead when all evidence points to
             his/her chosen course being completely wrong
"Waffling" = a liberal displaying thoughtfulness or weighing all the
             options

"Meltdown" = a liberal who delivers a scathing speech against a member
             of the opposition
"Tears _____ a new one" = a conservative who delivers a scathing speech
                           against a member of the opposition

"Naked Aggression" = When a country conservatives don't like invades
                     another country
"Pre-emptive Self Defense = When a country conservatives like invades
                            another country

"No Mandate" = When an incumbent Democratic president wins by a small
               margin
"Winning Handily" = When an incumbent Republican president wins by the
                    smallest margin in history

"Enforcing the will of the people" = When a Republican politician pushes an
                                     issue the public at large agrees with
"Exhibiting political courage" = When a Republican politician pushes an
                                 issue the public at large doesn't agree with

"Debt under a Democratic president" = Fiscally irresponsible
"Debt under a Republican president that's even larger" = Fiscally conservative

"Old News" = Any Republican scandal that's never been fully investigated and/or
             prosecuted
"Serious Unresolved Issue" = Any Democratic scandal that's never been fully
                             investigated and/or prosecuted

"Negotiate" = When a Republican president agrees to sit down and talk with an adversary. "Appeasement" = When a Democratic president agrees to sit down and talk with an adversary.

http://web.blomand.net/~dennmac/reich-wing/

[john9001]

wow, FrodeMk3 is a liberal, who knew. 

[Bronk]

wow, FrodeMk3 is a liberal, who knew. 

 

[FrodeMk3]

Hold on, I see some other goodies' here...

                                    "Anti-GOP Taglines"

"The elephant is the perfect symbol for Republicans: they never forget, lead
each other around by the tail, and think everyone should work for peanuts."

"The Republican National Committee has announced it's changing the emblem of
the Republican Party - from an elephant to a condom. The Republican National
Chairman explained that the condom more clearly reflects the Party's current
stance... owing to the fact that a condom accepts inflation, halts
production, destroys the next generation, protects a bunch of hoots, and
gives you a sense of security while you're actually being screwed. Please make
certain your Republican friends make the appropriate changes on any of their
campaign literature."

"Republicans are good for one thing: getting elected every 30 or 40 years so
people can be reminded how terrible they are." - Bob Shrum

Little kid got on the school bus today wearing a T-shirt with the slogan
"Proud to be a Democrat." Bus driver asked why he was a Democrat and the kid
said "Because my parents are Democrats." "So," said the bus driver, "What if
your parents were lying, biblethumping, perverted hypocrites? Then what?" The
kid replied: "Then we'd be Republicans."

"Much has already been published about the sex life of former President Clinton.
However, little has been reported on the sexual practices of the current
Commander-in-Chief. It has recently been learned that the President and Mrs.
Bush only do it with Laura Bush on top since George W. Bush can only mask up."

Rush: omni-ignorant (ignorant on all subjects)

Rush: a kinder and gentler Nazi

"Pat Buchanan wants a blinder, more Gentile nation." - Dennis Miller

"The Religious Right scares the *hell* out of me." - Sen. Barry Goldwater
(R-AZ, ret.)

"A conservative is a man who wants the rules changed so that no one can make a
pile the way he did." - Gregory Nunn

"Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are
conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

"If guns are outlawed, how will conservatives win any arguments?" - Unknown

"Guns don't kill people -- it's those nasty little bullets!"

"Whin guns er outlawed only da gubbermint will have guns!"

"I'm not worried about the bullet with my name on it... just the thousands out
there marked 'Occupant.'" - Unknown

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for
selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith

"If the Republicans will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we will stop
telling the truth about them." - Adlai Stevenson (1900-1965)

The conservative credo: "Mister, we could use a man like Herbert Hoover
again..."

"The Republican Convention opened with a prayer. If the Lord can see his way
to bless the Republican Party the way it's been carrying on, the the rest of
us ought to get it without asking." - Will Rogers, 1928

"Facts are stupid things." - Ronald Reagan

"I would have voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964." - Ronald Reagan

"If you've seen one redwood, you've seen them all." - Ronald Reagan

"Why should we subsidize intellectual curiosity?" - Ronald Reagan

"I still think Nancy does most of his talking; you'll notice that she never
drinks water when Ronnie speaks." - Robin Williams, _Playboy_, 1982

"Reagan's platform seems to be: 'Hey, I'm a big friendly guy and I need lots
of sleep.'" - Roy G. Blount

"Reaganomics, that makes sense to me. It means if you don't have enough money,
it's because poor people are hoarding it." - Kevin Rooney,  _GQ_, 1984

"I believe that Ronald Reagan can make this country what it once was--an
arctic region covered with ice." - Steve Martin, 1980

"Ronald Reagan was the least knowledgeable president I ever met." - Rep.
Thomas P. "Tip" O'Neill Jr. (1912-1994)

"If Reagan had run unopposed, he would have lost." - Mort Sahl

"Ronald Reagan is a triumph of the embalmer's art." - Gore Vidal

"If Reagan's the answer, it must have been a very silly question." - Anonymous

Republicans: "Only the SOS should happen."

W.H.I.N.E. - The Conservative Broadcasting System

Call the conservative hotline: 1-800-WHINE.

The NRA Loaner: because when you need a gun, 5 days is a LONG LONG time!

"By our readiness to allow arms to be purchased at will and fired at whim, we
have created an atmosphere in which violence and hatred have become popular
pastimes." - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
    
"With all the violence and murder and killings we've had in the United States,
I think you will agree that we must keep firearms from people who have no
business with guns." - Robert F. Kennedy, May 1968

I carry in my mind...a world with an unborn JERRY FALWELL!

"This isn't a man who is leaving with his head between his legs." - Dan Quayle
 
"Rush Limbaugh stole my whole act." - Howard Stern

A gun kills a child every two hours. - The Children's Defense Fund
 
Conservatism: The worship of dead revolutions.

"I do not make 'ad hominem' attacks on Clinton. They all deal with policy --
or character." - Rush Limbaugh/"The Flush Rush Quarterly"

"Women should not be allowed to serve on a jury..." - Rush Limbaugh

Q: What are "feminazis"?
A: "Ugly women who can't get dates." - Rush Limbaugh
Q: What is a "Rush Limbaugh"?
A: "A fat man who can't get laid." - Feminazis

I stumbled on some of these when looking for some other info-one of the Google keywords' threw this up there, instead of secret weapons' of the Third Reich. They've got a lot of material on here.http://web.blomand.net/~dennmac/reich-wing/

[BTW]

And this is with the race a dead heat. I guess its going to get real nasty when Obamassiah goes down by 10.

 

Dimocrat " They're not just bible thumping perverts, they're RASCISTS - SOUND THE ALARM - RACISTSSSSS!!!!"

Its going to be fun to watch this paper tiger explode - well implode. Hopefully Pelosi will get sucked into the black hole left behind.

(I can sense Dimocrats contacting moderators now)

For the Dimocrat:
black hole - The collapsed core of a massive star. A region of space where the density of matter is so great, and the pull of gravity so strong, that not even light can escape.

[FrodeMk3]

And this is with the race a dead heat. I guess its going to get real nasty when Obamassiah goes down by 10.

 

Dimocrat " They're not just bible thumping perverts, they're RASCISTS - SOUND THE ALARM - RACISTSSSSS!!!!"

Its going to be fun to watch this paper tiger explode - well implode. Hopefully Pelosi will get sucked into the black hole left behind.

(I can sense Dimocrats contacting moderators now)

For the Dimocrat:
black hole - The collapsed core of a massive star. A region of space where the density of matter is so great, and the pull of gravity so strong, that not even light can escape.

He might play that card (race) the way you say a little down the road, IMO-He's gonna wait to see what other events' transpire before he runs to that one. He's been kinda 'tickling' with the race card the whole time; just barely enough to notice. No all-out Al Sharpton style attacks, probably not until the time is right.

I'm guessing he's gonna bide his time, and see what other things' happen in the economy, Afghanistan, Iraq, this new thing in Georgia, etc. first.

[FrodeMk3]

I don't know what kind of impact this will have on McCains' campaign, but (also on a more serious note) I found this:

By PETE YOST, Associated Press Writer
Wed Aug 13, 5:42 PM ET
 


WASHINGTON - John McCain's chief foreign policy adviser and his business partner lobbied the senator or his staff on 49 occasions in a 3 1/2-year span while being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars by the government of the former Soviet republic of Georgia.

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The payments raise ethical questions about the intersection of Randy Scheunemann's personal financial interests and his advice to the Republican presidential candidate who is seizing on Russian aggression in Georgia as a campaign issue.

McCain warned Russian leaders Tuesday that their assault in Georgia risks "the benefits they enjoy from being part of the civilized world."

On April 17, a month and a half after Scheunemann stopped working for Georgia, his partner signed a $200,000 agreement with the Georgian government. The deal added to an arrangement that brought in more than $800,000 to the two-man firm from 2004 to mid-2007. For the duration of the campaign, Scheunemann is taking a leave of absence from the firm.

"Scheunemann's work as a lobbyist poses valid questions about McCain's judgment in choosing someone who — and whose firm — are paid to promote the interests of other nations," said New York University law professor Stephen Gillers. "So one must ask whether McCain is getting disinterested advice, at least when the issues concern those nations."

"If McCain wants advice from someone whose private interests as a once and future lobbyist may affect the objectivity of the advice, that's his choice to make."

McCain has been to Georgia three times since 1997 and "this is an issue that he has been involved with for well over a decade," said McCain campaign spokesman Brian Rogers.

McCain's strong condemnation in recent days of Russia's military action against Georgia as "totally, absolutely unacceptable" reflects long-standing ties between McCain and hardline conservatives such as Scheunemann, an aide in the 1990s to then-Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott.

Scheunemann, who also was a foreign policy adviser in McCain's 2000 presidential campaign, has for years traveled the same road as McCain in pushing for regime change in Iraq and promoting NATO membership for Georgia and other former Soviet republics.

While their politics coincide, Russia's invasion of Georgia casts a spotlight on Scheunemann's business interests and McCain's conduct as a senator.

Scheunemann's firm lobbied McCain's office on four bills and resolutions regarding Georgia, with McCain as a co-sponsor or supporter of all of them.

In addition to the 49 contacts with McCain or his staff regarding Georgia, Scheunemann's firm has lobbied the senator or his aides on at least 47 occasions since 2001 on behalf of the governments of Taiwan and Macedonia, which each paid Scheunemann and his partner Mike Mitchell over half a million dollars; Romania, which paid over $400,000; and Latvia, which paid nearly $250,000. Federal law requires Scheunemann to publicly disclose to the Justice Department all his lobbying contacts as an agent of a foreign government.

After contacts with McCain's staff, the senator introduced a resolution saluting the people of Georgia on the first anniversary of the Rose Revolution that brought Mikhail Saakashvili to power.

Four months ago, on the same day that Scheunemann's partner signed the latest $200,000 agreement with Georgia, McCain spoke with Saakashvili by phone. The senator then issued a strong statement saying that "we must not allow Russia to believe it has a free hand to engage in policies that undermine Georgian sovereignty."

Rogers, the McCain campaign spokesman, said the call took place at the request of the embassy of Georgia. And McCain campaign spokeswoman Nicolle Wallace added that the senator has full confidence in Scheunemann. "We're proud of anyone who has worked on the side of angels in fledgling democracies," she said in an interview.

McCain called Saakashvili again on Tuesday. "I told him that I know I speak for every American when I said to him, today, we are all Georgians," McCain told a cheering crowd in York, Pa. McCain's Democratic rival, Barack Obama, had spoken with Saakashvili the day before.

In 2005 and 2006, McCain signed onto a resolution expressing support for the withdrawal of Russian troops from Georgia; introduced a resolution expressing support for a peace plan for Georgia's breakaway province of Ossetia; and co-sponsored a measure supporting admission of four nations including Georgia into NATO.

On Tuesday, McCain told Fox News that "as you know, through the NATO membership, ... if a member nation is attacked, it is viewed as an attack on all."

Scheunemann's lobbying firm is one of three that he has operated since 1999, with clients including BP Amoco, defense contractor Lockheed Martin Corp. and the National Rifle Association.

Scheunemann is part of the community of neoconservatives who relentlessly pushed for war in Iraq.

No one in Washington is more closely aligned with the Bush administration's decision to invade Iraq than prominent neoconservatives, who for years had regime change in Iraq as a goal as part of their philosophy that the United States shouldn't be reluctant to use its power, both diplomatic and military, to spread democracy and to guarantee world order.

Now, McCain and other politicians who pushed for the invasion are seeking to emphasize the progress, albeit fragile, of the current troop surge in Iraq.

In the months before the war began, Scheuenemann ran the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, set up in November 2002 when public support for the looming invasion was eroding.

Before that, Scheunemann was on board with the Project for the New American Century, whose letter to Bush nine days after the Sept. 11 attacks pointed to Iraq as a possible link to the terrorists.

The letter said American forces must be prepared to support "by all means necessary" the U.S. government's commitment to opponents of Saddam Hussein.

Scheunemann was among the letter's 37 signers, a Who's Who of neoconservative luminaries including William Kristol and Richard Perle.

If anything, Scheunemann's duties have been enhanced from McCain's 2000 presidential campaign, when Scheunemann also advised McCain on national security and foreign policy issues.

Earlier in his political career, McCain displayed the kind of caution that could be expected from someone who fought in Vietnam and was a prisoner of war.

In 1983, McCain urged U.S. withdrawal from Lebanon. "I do not see any obtainable objectives in Lebanon, and the longer we stay there, the harder it will be to leave," he said.

As the United States prepared for the first Gulf war, McCain was among a handful of members in Congress who began raising caution flags about the operation.

"If you get involved in a major ground war in the Saudi desert, I think support will erode significantly," said McCain. "Nor should it be supported. We cannot even contemplate, in my view, trading American blood for Iraqi blood."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080813/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_lobbyist