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Offline trigger2

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Spicoli/badazz
« on: August 21, 2008, 04:34:46 AM »
Great fight tonight you two...

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http://www.mediafire.com/?jqtzobrcmmk

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Re: Spicoli/badazz
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2008, 08:34:44 AM »
Toggling your engine off during combat is noobish. Sorry just had to say it.
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Re: Spicoli/badazz
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2008, 12:39:09 PM »
Quote from: Chalenge on August 21, 2008, 08:34:44 AM
Toggling your engine off during combat is noobish. Sorry just had to say it.

How so?  I do it cause i can't reach throttle and flaps and Zoom and other such keys all at once.  For some of of us it is easier.
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Re: Spicoli/badazz
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2008, 01:00:03 PM »
Quote from: Chalenge on August 21, 2008, 08:34:44 AM
Toggling your engine off during combat is noobish. Sorry just had to say it.

Yeah, I know it is, but the throttle on my stick is busted so I have 3 throttle setting basically, full, WEP, and off...
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Re: Spicoli/badazz
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2008, 01:12:37 PM »
Two signs you are an easy kill is the engine toggle and dropping flaps at first turn. The engine toggle is not technically realistic and the flaps are a bad tactical decision. Both are desperate moves or gamey depending on how you look at it.
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Re: Spicoli/badazz
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2008, 03:01:21 PM »
Quote from: Chalenge on August 21, 2008, 01:12:37 PM
Two signs you are an easy kill is the engine toggle and dropping flaps at first turn. The engine toggle is not technically realistic and the flaps are a bad tactical decision. Both are desperate moves or gamey depending on how you look at it.

2 p51D's vs mine that had an ailron missing, a PW, and engine oil hit... without any throttle control (as I said, throttle on my stick is busted...) so, give myself a slight manuvering advantage vs the faster ones, or be an easy target...

I lasted over 3 minutes without an ailron, a PW, engine oil, later fuel and radiator hit... vs 2 of the same plane, I don't care if it was "gamey" *note, this is a game* as it was my only choice... but then again... I guess I coulda just kept pullin along at full throttle... I'm sure that woulda gone well  :rolleyes:
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Re: Spicoli/badazz
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2008, 10:24:59 PM »
Fact is it should not help you at all. In reality you would never do this in combat. This move is reaching epidemic proportions in the arena. No problem though. Do it to an experienced pony flier and see what happens to you (someone that can shoot).
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Re: Spicoli/badazz
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2008, 10:30:45 PM »
Quote from: Chalenge on August 21, 2008, 10:24:59 PM
Fact is it should not help you at all. In reality you would never do this in combat. This move is reaching epidemic proportions in the arena. No problem though. Do it to an experienced pony flier and see what happens to you (someone that can shoot).

Go easy, I dont always cut throttle, I  codo ambo of both. If I'm in the vert and stalling, I cut my engine to go down quicker.

If I'm in a hard turn and I wanna make one quick turning pass into them, I cut throttle. It's good to have a combo of both.
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Re: Spicoli/badazz
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2008, 10:59:08 PM »
Cutting throttle is okay properly done. Turning the engine off and on... you would be dead IRL if you tried it and that should be enough.
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Re: Spicoli/badazz
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2008, 11:00:12 PM »
Cutting the engine does nothing more than chopping the throttle.  This has been discussed many times, all come to the same conclusion.
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Re: Spicoli/badazz
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2008, 12:12:53 AM »
Well your wrong. I demonstrated this to a squadmate tonight. The deceleraion is much more pronounced and the overshoot more easily assured. It is noobish and underhanded and it leaves you at a clear disadvantage afterwards but as in the case I showed in the 'Engine Toggling' thread if there is ack handy or another escape window nearby you can use it to get away.
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Re: Spicoli/badazz
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2008, 12:14:13 AM »
Quote from: jerkins on August 21, 2008, 11:00:12 PM
Cutting the engine does nothing more than chopping the throttle.  This has been discussed many times, all come to the same conclusion.

I think when you cut the engine, the torq works differently than chopping throttle.
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Re: Spicoli/badazz
« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2008, 08:07:15 AM »
Quote from: Murdr on June 24, 2008, 08:46:10 AM
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Quote from: g00b on June 21, 2008, 01:36:00 PM
Actually your plane has more drag at idle than with the engine turned off. Turning your engine off in a dogfight is just dumb.

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Re: Spicoli/badazz
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2008, 03:10:14 AM »
Drag doesnt make your plane turn tighter.

I have a lever on my CH Throttle Quadrant set for prop RPM. I think RPM is supposed to change the pitch but the prop never changes angle when its not turning. Now for the part most players dont know:

When you are flying and the engine is off you can set your speed just like you can with alt-x (dot speed ###). In the P51 if I have an oil starvation or run out of fuel I can glide quite a while by changing speed to 135 (.speed 135) and hitting alt-x. Now if you pull the RPM back to minimum also then the nose will rise and you will glide further. There is less drag with rpm back I guess due to coarser pitch like a feathered prop (it doesnt graphically show this in the game).

If I could drop that much drag off everytime I turned I would feel like the best pilot on earth.

I would like to see this addressed in a coding change but then there would be other problems. Typing messages is popular and accidently typing could shut your engine off and then whatever penalty if any would see a million complaints. I dont believe there is even one guy in this game flying with one arm. Thats an excuse from someone with a lot of imagination.
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Re: Spicoli/badazz
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2008, 04:26:20 PM »
Good thing this isn't real life huh?
You might die in a dogfight, get to the pearly gates, and there would stand Chalenge with his arms crossed as tightly as the look on his face.

Geez dude, chill a tad. It's youre opinion... and you know what they say about opinions?
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