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Offline VonMessa

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Re: Bf109E-4
« Reply #30 on: August 27, 2008, 10:14:55 AM »
Boring.  Try the G6.

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Re: Bf109E-4
« Reply #31 on: August 27, 2008, 11:00:36 AM »
Close in to make a hit, and the bomber is dead. Sneak up on an unsuspecting fighter, and it's dead... How does a Spit5 kill a fast maneuvering target anyway, say alone a 109F, or a humble C.202, in which I remember landing 5 kills (some 20 perks) the other day ;)
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Re: Bf109E-4
« Reply #32 on: August 27, 2008, 04:07:49 PM »
This thread  got me to thinking about the E model, so I took it up yesterday and killed me a K4 with it, then a Spit XVI, and finally flamed a Mossquito.  I was pinging up a P-47 with the BB's when a Ki-84 killed me.  The most fun time, I've had in a long while.

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Re: Bf109E-4
« Reply #33 on: August 28, 2008, 08:36:27 AM »
This thread  got me to thinking about the E model, so I took it up yesterday and killed me a K4 with it, then a Spit XVI, and finally flamed a Mossquito.  I was pinging up a P-47 with the BB's when a Ki-84 killed me.  The most fun time, I've had in a long while.

Glad to have inspired you.  I do love to fly those EW planes (109E, Spit I, Hurri I, Ju-87, D3A, A6M2, F4F-4, etc.) in the LWA's on occasion.  I had great fun in a Wildcat a week or so ago.
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Re: Bf109E-4
« Reply #34 on: August 28, 2008, 08:54:38 AM »
Glad to have inspired you.  I do love to fly those EW planes (109E, Spit I, Hurri I, Ju-87, D3A, A6M2, F4F-4, etc.) in the LWA's on occasion.  I had great fun in a Wildcat a week or so ago.

Since Rangoon I see a lot more F4F's and A6M2's in cv attacks.
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Re: Bf109E-4
« Reply #35 on: August 31, 2008, 07:09:54 AM »
BTW - the Hispano 20mm cannon was also based on the Oerlikon FF but on the largest of all three, the FF-S with 20x110 cartridges.
I think it would be more accurate to say that the HS 404 was inspired by the Oerlikon FFS, in the sense of prompting the designer to take a different approach. It used an entirely different operating mechanism which greatly increased the rate of fire, and the ammo wasn't compatible.

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Re: Bf109E-4
« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2008, 10:56:05 AM »
I'd also add that the mechanism was able to support higher rates of fire but the earlier models did not have significantly higher ROF. MG-FF 520RPM and Hisso2 about 600 rpm. Although 520 was about as fast as the FF could fire, where as the HissoV could reach 850rpm still significantly better muzzle velocity.

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Re: Bf109E-4
« Reply #37 on: August 31, 2008, 06:26:39 PM »
The HS 404 initially fired at 700 rpm but the British slowed it down to 600 to alleviate case crush-up problems.

The big Oerlikon FFS fitted to some mid-1930s French fighters (which fired far more powerful ammo than the MG-FF) was only firing at about 400 rpm when the HS 404 was developed.

By the end of WW2 Oerlikon had speeded-up the FFS to 650 rpm, but it was still only fed by a magazine (and I don't think anyone used it - in an aircraft, anyway). By then the Hispano Mk V was reaching 750 rpm. The fastest production version of the Hispano was the USN's 1950s Mk 12, which was rechambered for a more powerful cartridge. This hit around 1,000 rpm and armed many USN planes of the late 1950s/1960s, including the F8U Crusader.

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Re: Bf109E-4
« Reply #38 on: September 03, 2008, 09:27:25 AM »
Well, I managed to kill a Lancaster with the E-4 last night. 

I had half my cannon rounds left and flew a sector out to get in an extended fight with a N1K (5 ish minutes).  Even though my E-4 owned him, I couldn't connect with the remaining cannon rounds.  I tried tracking shots from his close six and various snapshots.  I finally ended up running out of cannon rounds, pinging him up with my bb's and calling in a countryman who had been standing by (but staying out of the fight) to finish him off.  I got an assist.

I can see I still have work to do with the gunnery in this ride but it's a sweet little turn fighter.  The biggest downside is it's lack of roll response at speed, but a bit of rudder helps that out.  It's not as bad as the Spit I.

Oh, and as an added bonus I got to watch a P-51D run from me like a schoolgirl before I got into it with the N1K.   :rofl
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Re: Bf109E-4
« Reply #39 on: September 03, 2008, 09:57:00 AM »


Oh, and as an added bonus I got to watch a P-51D run from me like a schoolgirl before I got into it with the N1K.   :rofl

I can't wait till they add CR-42 or an I-153 to Aces High. Just so the biplane boys can talk about all the bnz/run-weenies in their new-fangled monoplanes.

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Re: Bf109E-4
« Reply #40 on: September 03, 2008, 06:40:43 PM »
I can't wait till they add CR-42 or an I-153 to Aces High. Just so the biplane boys can talk about all the bnz/run-weenies in their new-fangled monoplanes.

Don't forget about the Gladiator, or the CR-32.  Can't have Malta without 'em. 

C'mon Hitech, show some luv for the EW bipes. :D