Kudos to the Axis for Frame 3

[apcampbell]

I swear I saw it coming! Excelent job planning and executing your strategy against us Allies. Taking down 3 of our CV's in the north literally left us with no option but to ditch.

With fuel conservation methods, most of us could have made C76 (the A5 and A15 strikes), but the time would have been long expired by the time we got there.

In all, a fun FSO this month. It just looks like us Allies lost the strategy battle We'll get you guys next month!!

[Hamltnblue]

Agreed,  I think every one saw it coming.  With the Allied CV's sandwiched between CV's and land bases even forest gump could have taken them out.  There was no defense of the bases because it was obvious if the cv's were out the Allied planes couldn't get home and would be lost.  Kudo's to the axis CiC for picking it up and correctly planning it.  Also kudo's to the Allied CiC's for planning the best possible plan against a set-up slaughter.  We still had fun filming almost our whole squad having to ditch, but to the FSO staff, please don't do a similar one sided set-up in the future.

[shreck]

Agreed,  I think every one saw it coming.  With the Allied CV's sandwiched between CV's and land bases even forest gump could have taken them out.  There was no defense of the bases because it was obvious if the cv's were out the Allied planes couldn't get home and would be lost.  Kudo's to the axis CiC for picking it up and correctly planning it.  Also kudo's to the Allied CiC's for planning the best possible plan against a set-up slaughter.  We still had fun filming almost our whole squad having to ditch, but to the FSO staff, please don't do a similar one sided set-up in the future.

Not so sure it was 1 sided! I think the planning was a bit off for the allies, The Unforgiven tallied c74 and there were only 3 cons defending it-->  <  I hope the other cv groups were defended a little better !Anyway it was a good time!! <S> to the staff---> WTG

[Hamltnblue]

Not so sure it was 1 sided! I think the planning was a bit off for the allies, The Unforgiven tallied c74 and there were only 3 cons defending it-->  <  I hope the other cv groups were defended a little better !Anyway it was a good time!! <S> to the staff---> WTG

I might have been mistaken. 3 CV's sandwiched by 2 CV's to the east and 6 land bases sets up a very historical scenario.  In the last FSO at least they said it was a "what if"?  The Allied CiC was also given 5 targets and 5 defensive spots with about 250 planes.  If anyone here thought that CV 73,74 or 75 would survive and that their returning planes on optimum fuel consumption could make it south a couple of hundred miles in the 60 minutes allowed. Please raise your hand.  Even if they had a chance to make it I'm sure the Axis CO's would recognize that easy kills would be had hovering the fields.

[Imoutfishing]

Not so sure it was 1 sided! I think the planning was a bit off for the allies, The Unforgiven tallied c74 and there were only 3 cons defending it-->  <  I hope the other cv groups were defended a little better !Anyway it was a good time!! <S> to the staff---> WTG

I don't see it that way.  We (Nightmares) smoked A15 & only saw tops 6 KI-61's defending. I think maybe there might be to much to take into account these day's with the number of squad's involved and the number of target to achieve.  It's very hard to defend a target within two sector for sixty minutes with so many rearm bases so close. 

The plane set was off, the objectives were unclear, & the Allies had no chance of winning. This FSO was slanted from the start and IMHO fun as hell:)  I saw every stupid mistake and in frame one tried to set it up for all the Allies to get in and fight to have fun but I knew we were screwed.

This is a first for me.  This was a garbage FSO I managed to have a ball flying??? wtf is that   I had fun every frame but yet had zero chance of winning a frame.

Plane Set, Plane Set, & then we can think about objectives.

MGD

[Damionte]

There were few fun moments for me for at least 2 of the three frames. And the second frame saw a little bit of fun mostly due to us getting lucky, and going a bit off orders.

The Allied command decided not to use close escort and use fighter sweeps instead. This only works if your sweeping fighters actually come across the enemy. If they don't your strike packages get bounced. Which we were. Repeatedly. We were never bounced on our way to or from the target. Fighters were always waiting for us at the target. They don't even need to wait that high. They know we have to come down to dive bomb.

In both frame 1 & 3, we were bounced by defending fighters as we came on target. Once bounced it was over and done with. Heavy birds caught low against zeroes and KI's with no high cover. Forgetaboutit. Yeah usually we were able to get our bombs away but you're getting pounced on as you pull up from your dive.

Carrier placement was also a problem. Carriers were placed pretty much in their default starting locations. Not like everyone doesn't know where those are. Third frame we were set to launch INSIDE axis radar. Carrier was right off shore. Would have been simpler for us to just disembark and march to the target base. I exaggerate that last point but still.

Were there some kind of restrictions placed on the allies that the rank and file don't know about?

[powerhog]

There were few fun moments for me for at least 2 of the three frames. And the second frame saw a little bit of fun mostly due to us getting lucky, and going a bit off orders.

The Allied command decided not to use close escort and use fighter sweeps instead. This only works if your sweeping fighters actually come across the enemy. If they don't your strike packages get bounced. Which we were. Repeatedly. We were never bounced on our way to or from the target. Fighters were always waiting for us at the target. They don't even need to wait that high. They know we have to come down to dive bomb.

In both frame 1 & 3, we were bounced by defending fighters as we came on target. Once bounced it was over and done with. Heavy birds caught low against zeroes and KI's with no high cover. Forgetaboutit. Yeah usually we were able to get our bombs away but you're getting pounced on as you pull up from your dive.

Carrier placement was also a problem. Carriers were placed pretty much in their default starting locations. Not like everyone doesn't know where those are. Third frame we were set to launch INSIDE axis radar. Carrier was right off shore. Would have been simpler for us to just disembark and march to the target base. I exaggerate that last point but still.

Were there some kind of restrictions placed on the allies that the rank and file don't know about?

ok well ive been on this so much in fso its jus tthe wway it happens sometimes anyways im glad i was on the giving side this time <S> to all it was fun

[shreck]

I don't see it that way.  We (Nightmares) smoked A15 & only saw tops 6 KI-61's defending. I think maybe there might be to much to take into account these day's with the number of squad's involved and the number of target to achieve.  It's very hard to defend a target within two sector for sixty minutes with so many rearm bases so close. 
MGD

You may be correct, although I still find 3 FM2s as fighter cap over C74 extremely inadiquate. I would think DEFENDING the only home you could land on would be somewhat of a priority  Also IMHO the plane set was fair and actually leaned toward the allies! Hellcats are murderus little demons.

No matter what the plane set is I believe F S O comes down to planning and execution, and the axis executed in superior fassion in this event!    <S> to all who participated.

[007Rusty]

    I had fun     

[Damionte]

Yeah I do agree about the plane set. I never found it that unbalanced. Though I don't personally like the hellcat it's not too bad.

It really came down to planning and the Axis commanders did a better job of it. I know personally i am taking a lot of lessons away from here to future events.

[apcampbell]

Agreed!

[TracerX]

Salute Allies.  No matter what the results are, if you had fun, it was a success.  We had some hairy nasty engagements in every frame.  Some small changes on the allies side could have had a dramatic impact on the scoring, but don't loose too much sleep over it, there will always be another one.  Just keep making them fun.  <S> FSO Staff.

[Nefarious]

Thanks everyone! Glad you enjoyed it   

[Hamltnblue]

The Allied command decided not to use close escort and use fighter sweeps instead. This only works if your sweeping fighters actually come across the enemy. If they don't your strike packages get bounced. Which we were. Repeatedly. We were never bounced on our way to or from the target. Fighters were always waiting for us at the target. They don't even need to wait that high. They know we have to come down to dive bomb.

Carrier placement was also a problem. Carriers were placed pretty much in their default starting locations. Not like everyone doesn't know where those are. Third frame we were set to launch INSIDE axis radar. Carrier was right off shore. Would have been simpler for us to just disembark and march to the target base. I exaggerate that last point but still.
Were there some kind of restrictions placed on the allies that the rank and file don't know about?

Actually there weren't any fighter sweeps this time around for Allied.
The restriction placed were invisible. When placed in the center of several enemy you have to defend and attack 2 directions from 3 of the 5 bases. That plus the fact that there were 5 targets and 5 defensive points in frame 3 just simply thinned out the group.
On a side note I think something that is definitely needed is a how to guide for CiC's. It should include everything from a check list from start to finish of the week, a list of commands not usually used and possibly not known to the group (such as carrier movement and control), and anything else that might help in the process.

The FSO has grown to something that we all look forward to. Just as any game however I think steps should be taken to protect it and make it better. Small things like dropping bombs on take off to get around the rules is one of a host of small things that can make the game lopsided.  
I know that this is getting long but I think one more thing might make future carrier ops interesting. What if the FSO had 2 phases. The first phase would start 1 hour early with the CiC's taking control of the groups and driving them to where they wanted staying inside say a 4 sector box. Phase 2 would start the normal time with planes actually having to find their target.

Looking forward to the next round in September.
 
Hamblue

[Nefarious]

Small things like dropping bombs on take off to get around the rules is one of a host of small things that can make the game lopsided.  

I don't think that is circumventing the rules. Never seen it as a listed rule.