Author Topic: take AWAY TA152 (Read 392 times)

minus · « **on:** August 12, 2001, 08:32:00 PM »

before begin some profanity on the puritan censor shut down HTC take away TA152 USELES !!!!!!!!!
for WHAT a hell we have this plane ????????

why WE have to profe if something wrong in game ?
customer are for use the product

actualy TA 152 performance at high alt is BIG CRAP cant dive cant climb pony can folow like just at 15 k it make me laugh

and who try to acuze me on whine go to %$#^&&#^%#* somewhere !

damit for 2 years paying for play and geting more and more frustrated

seems the new trend comin there just liek bush junior ar even in AH USA dream rule the world ?
seriosly sometime is it just RIDICULOS what hapaning

u can bane me but i will ask for oficial leter then

Karnak · « **Reply #1 on:** August 12, 2001, 09:06:00 PM »

I like the Ta152. I think it is priced too high, but I has really nice handling. Its always gotten me home.

Today I got away from a Typhoon at 7,000ft after repeatedly trying to kill another Ta152, but was unable to do so using quick passes and unwilling to get low and slow.

Made it home with only 1/8th fuel in my FWD tank.

Oh yeah, I out ran a P-51D at about 15,000ft earlier in that flight after stealing his Lancaster.

[ 08-12-2001: Message edited by: Karnak ]

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #2 on:** August 12, 2001, 09:15:00 PM »

I engaged a B-17 at 25k with a Ta-152H. I kinda blew the first pass and decided to see how the high alt e retention was. I turned 270 degrees without bleeding hardly any energy. I came around on a totally suprised buff driver and slaughtered him.

The plane is awesome above 20k.

I do believe its benefits are not enough to merit its perk cost in the MA, but it should still be perked. Somewhere around 10 perkies for it seems fair. It will give those luftwhiners something to look forward too a little more often

AKDejaVu

Staga · « **Reply #3 on:** August 12, 2001, 09:48:00 PM »

I agree.
Its not worth of 50 points.
Maybe Arado could keep its price but fighters which are intended to fight, not run away in low or high, should cost less points IMO.

Anyway its stupid to attack against a bomber with perkplane, Been there and done that.
B-17 smoked my Napier and after I landed and were brakeing in runway a P-51 dived from 10000ft and got rest of that Tempest. Not worth of risk to attack buffs.

Regurge · « **Reply #4 on:** August 12, 2001, 10:20:00 PM »

I have to disagree minus.

http://plaza.ufl.edu/shamblin/tabuffkill.ahf

Notice how I made a frontal pass on buffs at about 27k, turned around, and still had enough energy to carry me above and ahead of them for anither pass. Then a higher P-51 engaged me and I dove away easily. Even when I started a climb he couldnt get close.

No other plane in AH can perform like that at high altitude.

minus · « **Reply #5 on:** August 12, 2001, 10:57:00 PM »

crap so try to vertical moves at 30 k TRY it

i give $#@%^$#@^ all about Lw stuf if they corect modeled after other crap is anything just not corect b 17 at 35 k pony who turn beter keep E beter from Ta152 at this alt
ta152 compres even on slight dive the IAS and TAS diference are strange on it

and on all terain planes handle diferently are they depend on fuel multiplicator and diferent terain are use soemthing EXTRA thta afect plane handling ?

the buger tracers on planes maybe some 1 can quake with them but on Lw guns i can see SHYT where is the balistic limit

just like niki wonder if any 1 noticed how the manual fuel selection work on niki

bugg in it !

i em DEAD LW no more reason to play LW here be hapy

eddiek · « **Reply #6 on:** August 12, 2001, 11:55:00 PM »

Only flew the 152 once minus, but I think it is fine as is.
Intercepted a large rook B17/P51/Fester formation. Verticals at 31K were impressive, she held E just fine as far as I could tell. TAS in the dives was in the 500-550 range, no lockup/compression, which I really liked. I wasn't worried about the escorts at all.
What got me was the buff guns on that sortie...actually, I shot the bellybutton off a B17 and then hit it when I didn't break upwards in time. Zig got kill credit.
Bottom line is this: If ya don't like it, don't waste yer perk points on it. I got perkies out the wazoo, and I've only flown perk fighters 3 times since they've been out. Why? Because none of them interest me in the least.
Right now you are frustrated........calm down, think about it, get back in the game. I've been where ya are right now......."my" plane doesn't perform the way the pilots who flew her say she could, and I get ticked about that at times. You just have to learn to live with it the way it is, or fly something else. Just my $.02...........

Yeager · « **Reply #7 on:** August 13, 2001, 01:14:00 AM »

I feel your pain. I did NOT have sex with that plane, the Ta-152! I did in fact have an inappropriate relationship with the Ta-152. I feel right at home here in Harlem.

Seriously, you must have many, many sorties in the T1-152 to fully appreciate its capability. A few sorties cant give you enough perspective.

I found the Ta-152 to be a delight to fly.
I didnt do to well in it for combat but that was my fault.

Y

Karnak · « **Reply #8 on:** August 13, 2001, 03:18:00 AM »

Minus,

When I flew it today I was entering trans-sonic effect and I never compressed to the point of no return. My Ta152 did let out some creak noises that I'd never heard before, but it held together. I did throttle back when I hit the trans-sonic stuff, and after hitting it a couple of times I went into dives without much, if any, throttle.

I agree with Yeager, the Ta152H-1 is a sweet kite. It handles beautifuly and if it weren't perked it would be my Luftwaffe ride of choice.

Wilbus · « **Reply #9 on:** August 13, 2001, 04:56:00 AM »

Will have to both disagree and agree with Minus on this on.

First, the TA152 handels beutifully, it can outdive P51's when co alt, it can outturn most other E fighters, even LA7's. It can, with WEP outclimb many of them and its WEP lasts for 10 minutes like all LW kites, takes longer to Reload though. It's E retation seams great (although a pesky spit with less E once caught me, cut my zoom). The Spin is nasty when ya stall it.
Another neat thing is that it has got more internal fuel then a P51 (wich has got the most in the game after the TA) and it can fly longer on the same amount of fuel.

However, at 30k and above it doesn't performe like the numbers we all have in books etc, it should have a top speed of around 470Mph at around 40k (official numbers are 472 and 41).
The GM1 Power Boost in the Jumo engine of the TA152 seams to be slightly underpowered from what it really was, and it doesn't give away the right "speed per alt". The climb rate up high can be challanged by the P38, not sure what other planes that can climb with it up there. Up high you easilly compress it in dives, not because bad high speed Handeling though, just because of DAMN GOOD acceleration, it hits 600Mph (compression) in a few seconds.

There are things with it that should be fixed, and that's the High alt handeling.

I allso agree on that it should be perked, for what it is really good at, intercepting Buffs at high alt, is allso one of the most dangerous things in the game, and constantly losing 50 points to a buff at 35k quickly gets old. 10 Perks seams to be a very good deal, allso lower the Temp to the 40-50 class.
The Perks planes should be limited, not unseen.

StSanta · « **Reply #10 on:** August 13, 2001, 05:32:00 AM »

What annoys me is that people fly this plane up high mostly.

Those of you that have tried it at lower altitudes will have noticed that although it's not the fastest plane around, it can still do some awesome stuff - including surprising T&B N1K dweebs

Overall a good plane that's *great* at altitude. I think however that the current perk value is too high.

Another factor is the Instant target Fixation kit that comes with it - everyone locks up on the lone low TA-152. That factor alone bugs me and makes the A5 more effectve for me.

straffo · « **Reply #11 on:** August 13, 2001, 07:36:00 AM »

Quote

Originally posted by Karnak:
I like the Ta152. I think it is priced too high, but I has really nice handling. Its always gotten me home.

Today I got away from a Typhoon at 7,000ft after repeatedly trying to kill another Ta152, but was unable to do so using quick passes and unwilling to get low and slow.

Made it home with only 1/8th fuel in my FWD tank.

Oh yeah, I out ran a P-51D at about 15,000ft earlier in that flight after stealing his Lancaster.

[ 08-12-2001: Message edited by: Karnak ]

Btw there was no real risk with this tiffy ... the only player I can kill currently is ... me

[ 08-13-2001: Message edited by: straffo ]

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #12 on:** August 13, 2001, 08:42:00 AM »

minus, the main problems I've noticed with 152 are as follows:
1 - Crystal plane. It breakes over'n over.
2 - Far from excellent performance at 30k.
3 - Awful stall behaviour. The hardest plane to get out a stall I've seen in AH.
4 - THE MAIN PROBLEM: It has 151/20 toy-guns.

Only with the fourth point Ta152 should no be perked, or costs much less than a HogC, perhaps 3 perks.

Regurge · « **Reply #13 on:** August 13, 2001, 12:01:00 PM »

minus/mandoble, I would like to know which planes in AH outperform the Ta152 at 30k, in your opinion.

btw, have you been flying it with 100% fuel? If so, thats your problem. Its range on internal fuel is greater than a P-51.

funkedup · « **Reply #14 on:** August 13, 2001, 01:10:00 PM »

Whiny tards. What more do you want?