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Re: RE: Erich Hartmann
« Reply #30 on: August 23, 2008, 09:45:34 PM »
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Re: RE: Erich Hartmann
« Reply #31 on: August 23, 2008, 09:58:03 PM »
Oxymoron.   

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Re: RE: Erich Hartmann
« Reply #32 on: August 23, 2008, 10:27:24 PM »
See Rules #4, #6
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Re: RE: Erich Hartmann
« Reply #33 on: August 23, 2008, 11:29:45 PM »
See Rule #6
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Re: RE: Erich Hartmann
« Reply #34 on: August 24, 2008, 12:31:13 AM »
See Rule #5

I dont know if this occurred to you but I seriously doubt they had no choice. They'd be trialed for treason if they refused to fight.
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Re: RE: Erich Hartmann
« Reply #35 on: August 24, 2008, 01:36:32 AM »
IN IN IN IN FREAKIN-A I AM IN !!!
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Re: RE: Erich Hartmann
« Reply #36 on: August 24, 2008, 01:40:27 AM »
Your getting Hans Rudel (the Stuka tank busting ace) and Erich Hartmann mixed up. Some Luftwaffe pilots were certainly more enthusiastic supporters of the Nazi regime, like Rudel was, but Hartmann does not appear to have been "an ardent Nazi", any more than any other member of the Luftwaffe, anyways. Its unlikely he would have been given command of a NATO Fighter (JG71) Wing post WW2 if he was.  
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Re: RE: Erich Hartmann
« Reply #37 on: August 24, 2008, 01:41:06 AM »
The Luftwaffe had great respect for Allied pilots.  In fact when Douglas Bader was shot down, he lost his artificial legs.  The Luftwaffe allowed a British plane to air drop some new legs before he was sent to POW camp.

By labeling all that fought for Germany in WWII is a large step in imagination.  To be labelled a Nazi, one had to be a member of the party and an ardent believer of the "cause."
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Re: RE: Erich Hartmann
« Reply #38 on: August 24, 2008, 01:42:18 AM »
I have really high respect for pretty much all the Luftwaffe pilots. With the situation they were in, they just doing their job, not like they got a choice! Omfg let's go up there play w/ 1 v. 20 odds! Most ally pilots don't get that rich target environment!
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Re: RE: Erich Hartmann
« Reply #39 on: August 24, 2008, 03:40:09 AM »
No, by the death of a grandpa.

Are you old enough that you met your grandfather?
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Re: RE: Erich Hartmann
« Reply #40 on: August 24, 2008, 08:39:30 AM »
wow like this thread been skuzzyfied like 10 times lol

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Re: RE: Erich Hartmann
« Reply #41 on: August 24, 2008, 08:46:26 AM »
ahhh its all done now. Squealer is PNG. Looks like we missed a pretty heated one....... darn the need for sleep !

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Re: RE: Erich Hartmann
« Reply #42 on: August 24, 2008, 09:12:44 AM »
Some German pilots were ardent Nazis, some weren't.

Some Soviet pilots were ardent Stalinists, some weren't.

Some Japanese pilots were ardent Imperialists, some weren't.

Some American pilots were ardent New Dealers, some weren't.

I personally think all of the above regimes, for that matter all "regimes" ever, were/are varying degrees of evil, yet I would still fight for my nation to the best of my ability against outsiders, and I believe any man worth his salt would do likewise.

The truth is, a combat pilot's core personality and ethos is more profession-defined than politically defined. Bud Anderson and Erich Hartmann would likely have more common ground and more to talk about over beer than Bud Anderson and Joe Pencil-Pusher. They were similiar kinds of men, they both had a genius for shooting down enemy airplanes, so of course they both hold similar fascination for fans of WWII aviation.

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Re: RE: Erich Hartmann
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Re: RE: Erich Hartmann
« Reply #44 on: August 24, 2008, 10:38:25 AM »
I have really high respect for pretty much all the Luftwaffe pilots. With the situation they were in, they just doing their job, not like they got a choice! Omfg let's go up there play w/ 1 v. 20 odds! Most ally pilots don't get that rich target environment!

1 v 20 odds....was that over Poland?  Or Yugoslavia?  Denmark, perhaps, possibly Norway....

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