Originally posted by Robert:i have one scenario to talk about with ya. you tell me if you think it is right.spit9 and niki co E merge ....spit pulls low G zoom climb ...niki miss judges the lead turn just a little but makes a hard 5+G emmelman ....spit zooms to a stall niki not only climbs to gun range on the spit but out climbs the spit. you think a 5+g emmelman would take some of it's edge off. dont believe me i have the films from both planes. Also ask Suave about it he was in the niki.RWY