He111

[Denholm]

Please don't bring up this junk again. I have a feeling HTC is laying off any attempts at making a B-29 for now because of its destructive powers and how many players have hundreds of bomber perks laid aside waiting to be devoured by a plane such as this.

[Anaxogoras]

Fellas, I'm not against it. I'd love to see Gloster Gladiators, Fiat Cr.42s, Brewster Buffalos, Polikarpov I-15s and I-16s...

But what drives this game are the late-war arenas. Those arenas are packed every night, packed with paying gamers, and lots of them. I understand it'll fit into the BoB scenario. It's not really a BoB scenario without it, to be honest. But then again, where's the Dornier-17?

My point is...HiTech is going to develop stuff that caters to the majority of their subscribers, because they pay the bills. I consider myself to be one of those 'historical geeks' who'd gladly play the Allied-Axis side if there were ever more than 5 people in the arena.

But it's a game, and one that's continuing to be developed by HTC because they have the market for it.

As often as it has been debated and shilled, what in your honest opinion, would draw more excitement from the AH community, a He-111 or (and I can't believe I'm saying this) a B-29?

The answer is, for better or worse, a B-29. Why? Because of the perception that the B-29 is a game-altering aircraft. The though of levelling a town with a single formation of aircraft appeals to gamers who, by nature, like to bomb things and blow things up.

Jeff

Wow, you just don't get it.  If it weren't for things like FSO I wouldn't bother with AH, and I think the same is often true for the people who have played a long time.  Scenarios with lots of substitutions are awful and not even worth bothering over <cough Rangoon>.  The Do-17 is also very welcome, but the He-111 should come first because it was more widely used and saw action in every theater of war that Germany fought in through 1945 (as a transport).  That you bring up the lack of wishes for the Do-17 as some sort argument against the OP is a laughable smokescreen.

If we don't get the He-111 before the next BoB scenario, then it's not worth it.

[Krusty]

Planes are NOT only added to feed the MA. The scenarios and snapshots and events make up a LARGE portion of this game's appeal, and HTC understands this.

[Easyscor]

It's the special events that extend the life cycle of a players' subscription. Without special events, a lot more resources would need to be spent on recruitment of new players as two years is about the point of boredom/burnout without them.

[JHerne]

Perhaps you don't get it...

Its not about what you, the individual, wants. Its about a balance of what will continue to drive the game, and revenue. Last time I looked, this was a business for HTC, not a hobby or a game like it is for us.

Yes, the He-111 is vital to the BoB scenario and early-war arenas. How many people, in the grand scheme of things, are going to participate in the scenario? 25%, 15%, 10%, of the total number of players? Will the LW arenas be empty like the early-war are now when BoB starts up? Will the He-111, by itself, make that difference?

Building a 3D model, doing flight model data, skinning, all take time. I know, I've done it for a living. I'm not saying that I don't want an He-111, but wake up to reality. Is HTC going to allocate resources to creating a plane that few people will use, or a plane that a few people are hyping up, only to find it's not that popular with the majority of the players in the game, in the overall game?

Denholm, you might not like to hear about a B-29...and I agree, it's probably too much of an airplane for the arenas of AH unless it's a high perk, but ask yourself, what would cause more excitement in the game?? There were a finite number of aircraft designed and built between 1939 and 1945. The majority of those built were already obsolete by the time they entered service. That leaves a handful of designs that were continually developed to maintain their dominance. And what does every player in this game want?? Dominance over his opponent. Practically all of the cutting edge designs are already covered in the game...the choices for new aircraft are running out, especially those that can create excitement amongst the players as a whole.

I agree that substitutions stink. As a military historian, Spitfires dogfighting alongside Fw-190s against P-51s should only happen in the Arab-Israeli war of 1948...Corsairs against Mustangs are Soccer War battles, not WW2.

But unless everyone plays the Allied-Axis arena (which no one does), it's a part of the game we're going to have to deal with.

This is not about history, or flying, or gaming. This is about business, creating and maintaining a product that is profitable and appealing to the customer.

My business professor in college (years ago) likened it to baseball...

You have $50 and one afternoon to spend watching any Major League matchup you like...what's it going to be? Yanks/Sox or Twins/Astros?
(This was at a time when the Yanks and Sox were dominant, and the Twins and 'Stros weren't).

[Anaxogoras]

We think the He-111 is vital to HTC's business in the long term.  That's where we differ. 

It's the special events that extend the life cycle of a players' subscription. Without special events, a lot more resources would need to be spent on recruitment of new players as two years is about the point of boredom/burnout without them.

And you can't have a good BoB without the He-111.  Therefore, to maintain the playerbase and long term profitability, the He-111 must be added.  Q.E.D.

[Denholm]

The HE-111 was a very historical plane in the BoB and later on during night-raids. Implementing it would be a step forward suggesting that HTC will work onwards to later add more Axis bombers leading towards, possibly, heavy bombers.

[100goon]

YESSSSS WE NEED THIS PLANE BADLY FORGET ABOUT THE B29 THIS IS MUCH BETTER!!!!!!!        ill  if we dont get this 

[Furball]

Not only BoB but Operation Barbarossa too.

[Noir]

lol @ furball's signature

[Rich46yo]

The Heinkel will be fine for early war, and probably survivable in mid-war. We all know how busy those arenas are, so I'm sure it'll be used as extensively as a Spitfire or Pony.

Everyone wants the He-111, and I can promise you, when or if it arrives in AH, everyone will use it until they realize it's cannon fodder. Then it'll be relegated to the same backseat as the Ki-67.

It's slow, unarmed, and can't carry anywhere the payload of planes already in the game.

A single 7.9mm in the nose, another on the spine, and one, sometimes two (depending on the version) in the underbelly tunnel. These are the same 7.9mm guns everyone refers to as BB guns.

Sexy doesn't win battles with fighters.

J

The KI-67 is not "cannon fodder". Ive had tours where Ive averaged 3 fighters shot down for ever 67 lost. It is the most defendable bomber in the game, combining speed, manueverability, and climb. The thing is its so fast its hard for fighters to set up on you. Its the best bomber in the game if you dont count bombload. It is without question the best raid bomber. My faveorite stunt is to go into a tight climb on fighters setting up over me and spritzing them with 20mm. Ive had a lot of 262s look at my 67s and decide to keep on going.

[Motherland]

Perhaps you don't get it...

Its not about what you, the individual, wants. Its about a balance of what will continue to drive the game, and revenue. Last time I looked, this was a business for HTC, not a hobby or a game like it is for us.

Yes, the He-111 is vital to the BoB scenario and early-war arenas. How many people, in the grand scheme of things, are going to participate in the scenario? 25%, 15%, 10%, of the total number of players? Will the LW arenas be empty like the early-war are now when BoB starts up? Will the He-111, by itself, make that difference?

Building a 3D model, doing flight model data, skinning, all take time. I know, I've done it for a living. I'm not saying that I don't want an He-111, but wake up to reality. Is HTC going to allocate resources to creating a plane that few people will use, or a plane that a few people are hyping up, only to find it's not that popular with the majority of the players in the game, in the overall game?

Denholm, you might not like to hear about a B-29...and I agree, it's probably too much of an airplane for the arenas of AH unless it's a high perk, but ask yourself, what would cause more excitement in the game?? There were a finite number of aircraft designed and built between 1939 and 1945. The majority of those built were already obsolete by the time they entered service. That leaves a handful of designs that were continually developed to maintain their dominance. And what does every player in this game want?? Dominance over his opponent. Practically all of the cutting edge designs are already covered in the game...the choices for new aircraft are running out, especially those that can create excitement amongst the players as a whole.

I agree that substitutions stink. As a military historian, Spitfires dogfighting alongside Fw-190s against P-51s should only happen in the Arab-Israeli war of 1948...Corsairs against Mustangs are Soccer War battles, not WW2.

But unless everyone plays the Allied-Axis arena (which no one does), it's a part of the game we're going to have to deal with.

This is not about history, or flying, or gaming. This is about business, creating and maintaining a product that is profitable and appealing to the customer.

My business professor in college (years ago) likened it to baseball...

You have $50 and one afternoon to spend watching any Major League matchup you like...what's it going to be? Yanks/Sox or Twins/Astros?
(This was at a time when the Yanks and Sox were dominant, and the Twins and 'Stros weren't).

The thing is... we have so many late war planes already, if HTC adds many more, it's going to start getting redundant (if you don't consider our large amount of late war rides redundant already).
Either way, in the MA's the most popular planes are likely going to remain the Spitfire 8/16, P51D, La7, and the N1K2J. There are several great late war planes that we have besides those... that are better even... like the P47D40, 109G14, Ki84, F4U1A, F6F5 etc.... but those don't have near the popularity of the first 4 I listed.... they're about as good, and maybe even better, but they simply aren't as popular... why? Who knows. Those are just the popular planes and I doubt that's going to change.
The Ki67 is a good example.... people don't realize it, but, as rich said, it's the best defended bomber in game. It's simply not as well known as the others, so it doesn't get used. If we got the He177, or the Do217 or whatever, it wouldn't likely get used much either.

[swareiam]

JETBLAST,

The main reason for this aircraft is to balance out the other arenas and events i.e. AVA, SNAPSHOTS, Scenarions, FSOs etc. I must agree with the bretheren. This is not a MA aircraft. But it is for everything else.

 

[RMrider]

Plus who says it wont be used in Late War, my squad is forced to fly JU 88s in late war as we are an only german squad. JU 88s get old after the first... hmm 3 years i have been flying them.

If we got He 111s you would see huge German raids with 88s, 111s, 110s, and escort. It would be awsome. Its not just to balance AvA/SEA, things that it would greatly contribute too, but you would see them in Late war too.

[321BAR]

Planes are NOT only added to feed the MA. The scenarios and snapshots and events make up a LARGE portion of this game's appeal, and HTC understands this.

, strangely though...the HE111 would b good for the Late War MA anyways, a ton of ppl yell for it in discussions on country in those two arenas. Personally, I'd love to fly it just for the fun (in the MA)