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Offline Anaxogoras

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No BoB without He-111
« on: August 26, 2008, 10:22:55 AM »
There, I said it.  Please delay a BoB scenario unless we get the He-111. :frown:  It's just not worth it otherwise.
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Re: No BoB without He-111
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2008, 10:37:45 AM »
I disagree.

Was Rangoon worth it without the Betty? SURE!

Would have been better with the Betty, but we made do.

BOB has been done a number of times with the He111. Is it the best? No, but it will do.
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Re: No BoB without He-111
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2008, 10:39:36 AM »
I gotta agree with Gavagai.  As one of the Allies last time it was readily apparant that the JU88s are too fast.  As part of a mixed force they would be fine, but as the total Axis bomber force they are over powering.

It is the CM's call though, it has been ran twice before.
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Re: No BoB without He-111
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2008, 10:44:14 AM »
Quote from: Krusty on August 26, 2008, 10:37:45 AM
I disagree.

Was Rangoon worth it without the Betty? SURE!

Would have been better with the Betty, but we made do.

BOB has been done a number of times with the He111. Is it the best? No, but it will do.

 :huh  I believe the Betty was strictly IJN, Burma would have had Sallys (KI-21?).

I wish we had ran it with He111s a number of times.  :)
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Re: No BoB without He-111
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2008, 12:07:34 PM »
at least We got the stuka .. we didnt even have that ..   

so lets see,,, no more BOB because of no 111....
I better go find another job , cause a couple of guys say No.
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Re: No BoB without He-111
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2008, 12:16:12 PM »
Quote from: Roscoroo on August 26, 2008, 12:07:34 PM
at least We got the stuka .. we didnt even have that ..   

so lets see,,, no more BOB because of no 111....
I better go find another job , cause a couple of guys say No.

Roscoroo, no one is saying you need to find another job.  :)  Chances are that we are going to get the HE111 in the future, possibly within the year.  There were comments made about the JU88 last time from both sides concerning the relative speeds and how it was a problem.

Besides a couple guys posted requesting it be ran, and that was ok.   :lol
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Re: No BoB without He-111
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2008, 12:18:39 PM »
It would be nice to have both the Do17 and He111.
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Re: No BoB without He-111
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2008, 12:27:07 PM »
We'll be going ahead with running Battle of Britain as the next scenario.  As BoB is a popular scenario (with many requests over the past year for us to run it) and will run from time to time still to come, and as I bet one of these years AH will add the He 111, if there are folks who don't want to play BoB until the He 111 is added, they will get their chance later on.  Everyone wins.
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Re: No BoB without He-111
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2008, 12:33:04 PM »
Quote from: Fencer51 on August 26, 2008, 10:39:36 AM
It is the CM's call though, it has been ran twice before.
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Offline Anaxogoras

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Re: No BoB without He-111
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2008, 02:40:56 PM »
Without the He-111 running the BoB is a pity.  Without the Ju-87 it's unthinkable. :P
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Re: No BoB without He-111
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2008, 02:51:30 PM »
I'd like to see He111 but I dont see it near future...

What if we use B-25 as a He111 instead of Ju88?
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Re: No BoB without He-111
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2008, 03:01:54 PM »
We did some testing back when deciding what to use as the Betty.  If I recall correctly, the B-25 is faster than the Ju 88 when the Ju 88 is totally loaded down.
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Re: No BoB without He-111
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2008, 03:07:12 PM »
BoB had to run without the Heinkel in 02, 04 and 06. Yes it is a pity but this time we don't have to be embarrassed to use the Ju88 because it was actually there.
The rest of the planes is also extremely close (only 109E-4 instead of E-3s) and most importantly it's going to be a huge load of fun.  :)
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Re: No BoB without He-111
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2008, 03:15:27 PM »
Was there any difference between the E3 and the E4 beside the canopy? That's the only difference I've been able to find... sorry for the kind of off-topic post
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Re: No BoB without He-111
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2008, 03:22:33 PM »
Very minor differences. Canopy, armor behind canopy, essentially the same plane, had the same specs, and the few changes they had were often retro-fitted to E-3s in the field.

The Ju88, on the other hand, is an A-4, which didn't start showing up until the BOB was about over. This is a later bomber with longer wingspan and faster top speed than the one that mostly flew in the BOB had.

On top of that bombers in AH run full throttle anyways, exacerbating the top speed issue.



P.S. In my first reply I said He111. I meant to type Ju88 "We've been doing it with the Ju88 and making do"
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